oldwilmington_nostalgia_archive

Visitors Nostalgia & Memories

(Archive #20: August 1, 2005 to August 31, 2005 entries)

I just heard a song on the radio that reminded me of the dance at the Scottish Rite Cathedral on Matson Run Parkway. There was a fellow that appeared there named Mike Pedison (not sure if that's the correct spelling). He played the meanest sax. Most people that I mention him to have never heard of him. Is there anyone out there that has.
Sandy Paski Conner <bsconne@msn.com>
Bear, DE USA - Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 23:24:59 (EDT

I just looked up the words on 3 sites. They all show something different, from 2 more verses to loads of them. One is about being reincarnated, another about getting penicillin. I know those 2 werent in the original, so I guess there have been diff. versions or verses added on over the years.
Patty <pattywerk>
Wilmington, DE USA - Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 15:35:13 (EDT)

the verses to "Found a Peanut" that I know of, Found a peanut, found a peanut, found a peanut just now, just now I found a peanut, found a peanut just now/it was rotten..../ate it anyway..../got a tummy ache..../'pendacitis..../operation..../died anyway..../went to heaven..../got a transfer..../ DOES ANYONE REMEMBER THE REST?
Connie <nospamwantedatyahoo.com>
Wilmington, De USA - Wednesday, August 31, 2005 at 14:42:10 (EDT)

I remember singing those songs on the bus going to and from day camp. Wonder if that was a "Wilmington" thing. I will have to ask some of my friends if they are familiar with "Found a Peanut" I remember getting a head-ache every time it was sung. Just too many verses. By the way, someone inquired as to where all the girls got formal dresses for sorority and fraternity formals and proms. It was LeMars downtown just off east side of Market St.
sharon rubin gorsen <shar646@aol.com>
weston, fl USA - Tuesday, August 30, 2005 at 23:53:11 (EDT)

Cracked it open, cracked it open, cracked it open just now... I guess I'm an old-timer - I remember it well! What about "John Brown's Baby, had a cold upon it's chest..." You didn't sing all the words though, you had to act certain ones out instead of saying them. That's REALLY going back.
Patty <pattywerk@aol.com>
Wilmington, DE USA - Tuesday, August 30, 2005 at 22:31:23 (EDT)

This is one for all you old-timers. Do any of you remember singing a song called "Found A Peanut" during bus trips, car trips, etc.? It was along the lines of "99 Bottles of Beer on the Wall". It went: "Found a peanut, found a peanut, found a peanut just now; just now found a peanut, found a peanut just now."
Pat LeVan <LeVan1706@aol.com>
Port St. Lucie, FL USA - Tuesday, August 30, 2005 at 21:29:12 (EDT)

I remember going to a jazz club in the early 60's...I think it was on the corner of 12th & Market Sts, maybe where the fire house is now. I believe the name was the Round Table. Spent many enjoyable nights listening to some awesome jazz groups.
Larry Agostini <la1129@comcast.net>
Wilm, de USA - Monday, August 29, 2005 at 21:12:38 (EDT)

Shirl, Thanks! Would love to get back down there, but alas, can't do it. But, you brought up another memory: I was fortunate enough to attend two July 14th celebrations of Bastille Day as a guest. Arden, I recall was, and maybe still is, a hidden treasure. Loved their "artsy" flavor. I lived in the 1400 block of Shallcross Ave & we could walk to the Art show. I truly miss the chaos of the "illegal" parking in the trolley square area, but the City Fathers made their quotas. HA!
Barb <barbrhodes@comcast.net>
Peabody, Ma USA - Sunday, August 28, 2005 at 23:08:24 (EDT)

Barb, The Brandywine Arts Festival will be held the weekend after Labor Day. Next Saturday, Labor Day Weekend, is the 98th Annual Arden Fair. Two great venues to visit. Shirl
Shirley Hudson Jester <Ujest110@aol.com>
Newark, DE USA - Sunday, August 28, 2005 at 21:35:55 (EDT)

I grew up in Claymont, attended Silverside Elementary and Mt. Pleasant HS (graduated 1976). My father, Leo Pappas, ran Holiday Lanes on Philadelphia Pike. I was thinking of him today and decided to google "Holiday Lanes" and found myself at this sight. Would love to hear from anyone with Holiday Lanes and/or Leo memories. Thanks.
Pamela Pappas Lia <lia898@hotmail.com>
Fanwood, NJ USA - Sunday, August 28, 2005 at 14:28:41 (EDT)

Barb, yes it is sometime in Sept not sure of the date.
Jean <usa>
wilm., de USA - Saturday, August 27, 2005 at 19:29:29 (EDT)

Jean, do they still hold art shows there annually? I remember the old Memorial Hosp near there and how we'd walk there to eat lunch, gather with associates after duty andtalk about where to have a "cold one" & pizza.
barb <barbrhodes@comcast.net>
Peabody, Ma USA - Saturday, August 27, 2005 at 14:28:59 (EDT)

just came back from the brandywinw zoo with grandchildren, it was a WJBR celebrate 100 years, it was a fun day just like the old days we had our sons and their familys just talking about the times we walked the brandywine and visited the zoo. WJBR did a good job even had pizza and story time and face painting even the adults enjoyed
Jean <usa>
wilmington, de USA - Saturday, August 27, 2005 at 13:18:54 (EDT)

Re: Monkey Hill and the Wilmington zoo -- do you remember the bear everybody called "Gladly the cross-eyed bear?"
Joe Mosbrook <joe.mosbrook@multiverse.com>
Cleveland, OH - Saturday, August 27, 2005 at 10:32:20 (EDT)

Fran, Yes, I remember the smell @ the monkey house. I also remember the aromas that eminated from Josephine Gardens. I was a bridesmaid at a wedding there. My Bro-in-law taught me to drive and he told me "driving up & down Monkey Hill would prove that ' I had been listening'" Hope the weather in Fla. is not giving Floridians heartburn.
Barb <barbrhodes@comcast.net>
Peabody, Ma USA - Friday, August 26, 2005 at 23:02:37 (EDT)

I always knew spring had arrived when our family spent Easter Sundays strolling in Brandywine Park when the cherry blossoms were in bloom. I can almost smell them now. Speaking of another smell, remember the monkey house on Monkey Hill and picnics at the swinging bridge? Monkey Hill also brings me back to my worst nightmare. Driving my stick shift Volkswagon Beetle up that steep cobblestone hill. I always prayed that there were no other cars behind me when I had to change gears. There were several memories written in of Riccio's store at 4th and Franklin. I used to work with Joe Riccio's neice, Diane. I remember she had a daughter who was one of the "kids" on the old Al Alberts show. Does anyone know if she ever made it to Broadway.
fran <dwyn321@adelphia.net>
boca raton, fl USA - Friday, August 26, 2005 at 20:53:56 (EDT)

Hi! Speaking of 5 & 10s I got my first Saturday job @ Kresges. In the basement at the belt & wallet counter. Got fired 3 hrs. later after a Lady came in to buy a belt for her son, and she only had 17 cents, so I just gave it to her. The floor Mgr. saw this & really chewed me out. Wasn't as bad as my Dad who REALLY got angry & lectured me about "stealing". The next day he gave me &4.00 for " loving my fellow man" We all grew up in a more simpler time and I learned that beng 16 yrs. old was but a bump in the road. "This old world we live in. is mighty hard to beat. You'll get a thorn with every rose, but ain't the roses sweet"?
Barb <barbrhodes@comcast.net>
Peabody, Ma USA - Thursday, August 25, 2005 at 21:07:25 (EDT)

Talking about hot dogs, nothing could match the taste of a hot dog at Delaware Park on a hot summer day (during the 50s and 60s) under the Lombardy poplars behind the ticket sales. I loved their ice cream bars, too. And a Coke taste better than ever at the park. Maybe because it always seemed so much hotter there than anywhere else.
Connie <nospamwantedatyahoo.com>
Wilmington, De USA - Thursday, August 25, 2005 at 20:49:21 (EDT)

Remember the dances at the Elsmere Fire House? Anyone remember me? LOL, I went there a lot. Swimming at Camby Park pool? Practically lived there in the summer. The best hill for sledding? Right there on Union Street at Sycamore. I lived on the corner of Union and Maple. Gino's on a Friday/Saturday night!!! Some of the hottest cars cruised thru there. Charcoal Pit and that super sundae...Kitchen Sink I think it was called. Hanging at Woolworth's on Market St. My mom managed the old Hallmark on Market. Ahhh, the good old days.
Peggy (Cornacchia)Lyons <slvrwllow@aol.com>
Jacksonville, FL USA - Thursday, August 25, 2005 at 20:22:14 (EDT)

Another "ferry tale" ... In the late '40's I worked for a Produce Stand and often used the Chester Ferry to truck produce out of Jersey. A highlight of the trip was a hot-dog and coke on the Chester Ferry. Enjoy this site very much. Nick
Delmer Nicholson <barnicho@msn.com>
Cincinnati, OH USA - Thursday, August 25, 2005 at 10:38:18 (EDT)

Talking about the old ferries reminded me of our trips across the Delaware during WW2 when gasoline was rationed and auto tires were impossible to get. I can remember one very hot day when my father was driving us to Ocean CIty for the summer on old and very worn tires. He had to pick a route where the roads were concrete not the hot asphalt to keep the tires from blowing out. We made it with only one blowout. Not all things were easy during the war.
Budo <bu49atpoolesite.com>
Wilmington, DE USA - Wednesday, August 24, 2005 at 14:32:50 (EDT)

THIS IS A NOTE TO ALL OF HIS FRIENDS AND FAMILY THAT COME TO THIS WEBSITE: UNCLE RALPH PRYOR HAS ASKED ME TO RELAY THE MESSEGE THAT HIS COMPUTER IS ONCE AGAIN ACTING UP TO WHERE HE IS UNABLE TO USE IT. HOLD YOUR E-MAILS UNTIL HE CAN ADVISE THAT THE PROBLEM IS FIXED! THANK YOU. HIS NIECE MARY KAY.
MARY KAY KENNEDY <MK.KENNEDY@SBCGLOBAL.NET>
OTTAWA, IL USA - Tuesday, August 23, 2005 at 20:46:51 (EDT)

Thanks for the mention of Salter's Music Store. That name had completely slipped my memory, that's where my parents purchased my first musical instrument, a coronet.
Bruce D. <spyderxlatcomcast.net>
Wilmington, DE USA - Tuesday, August 23, 2005 at 19:36:52 (EDT)

Re:Ferry boat lines of traffic.I remember them well.Onsummer weekends and holidays,I would have to work 15 hour days or until the traffic cleared.When the race track opened ,it created traffic problems also.I had forgotten the slot machines on the upper deck,but I remember LaFaye who worked there. Salters music store was my favorite hangout in Wilmington.Sis Salter taught me a lot of guitar.What great memories.The pits near Hockessin were on Yorklyn road at the intersection of Old Wilmington road.I have pictures of swimming there.
Dick Lloyd <Lostnote@juno.com>
san diego, ca USA - Tuesday, August 23, 2005 at 18:31:21 (EDT)

Do you remember Salters Music Store on ?10th between West and Washington, then around the corner and a half flight down? Pop was an amazing repairmen, and musician. Sis was no slouch as a musician either. Later, Sis moved down on the New Castle Hwy.
mike mullins <mpmul@frontiernet.net>
wallkill, ny USA - Tuesday, August 23, 2005 at 17:50:37 (EDT)

After Biloons was destroyed I believe Mr. Biloon repaired items in his home. It seems to me it was around 22nd & Harrison.
Bill Lyons <ALyons2336@aol.com>
Rehoboth Beach, DE USA - Tuesday, August 23, 2005 at 15:14:34 (EDT)

The Biloon's Appliance Repair Shop was located on the corner of 4th & Harrison Streets. During the (I believe) mid to late 70s there was a racial disturbance on 4th Street between Jackson and Broom which was between hispanics and blacks. A huge bonfire was set right in the middle of the intersection of 4th & Harrison Streets and everyone involved was taking everything they could find and fueling the fire. A large showing of a riot squad with shields and clubs lined up shoulder to shoulder across 4th and Jackson Sts. and marched up 4th towards Harrison. During this melee, Biloons Repair Shop was burned down and never returned.
Patricia Rambo <wheelsrambo@aol.com>
Wilmington, DE USA - Tuesday, August 23, 2005 at 12:05:19 (EDT)

WHEN THE DELAWARE MEMORIAL BRIDGE WAS BUILT, NEW JESERY WAS OFFERED A CHANCE TO SHARE IN THE COST AND RECEIVE HALF OF THE REVENUE.THEY ELECTED TO JUST LEASE THE APPROACH ON THEIR SIDE. THAT IS WHY THEY HAVE BEEN IN COURT SO MUCH WHEN THEY HAVE SEEN THE LOSE OF REVENUE TO BE HAD.
DAVE <CAUFFMANDS@AOL.COM>
HOCKESSIN, DE USA - Tuesday, August 23, 2005 at 09:50:13 (EDT)

This is a summary of what I've read/heard about the DE/NJ border and the Delaware River: The Delaware River is in Delaware. In other words, the DE/NJ boundary is the NJ coast (or very, very, very close to it). But, this hasn't always been the case, at one point it was in the middle of the river. But, DE got it changed somehow using their "state boundary of a 12-mile radius semicircle centered in New Castle". I also read that NJ has repeatedly gone to court to try and change it back, but were ruled against every time. Finally, a judge (or someone) had it put in the decision that NJ was not allowed to pursue the matter further. I'm by no means an expert to rely on, this is just what I've read/heard.
Chip <ctwatkins3@yahoo.com>
Newark, DE USA - Tuesday, August 23, 2005 at 09:11:31 (EDT)

Does anyone know what happened to Wilmington Finishing Company that was located in the old Bancroft's Mill along the Brandywine. They finished cloth to be sold to clothing manufacturers. I would imagine the buildings to be over 100 years old, I would hope the buildings are still there. I worked there in the late 70's. When I left DE in 1980 expensive housing was getting close to the mill.
Bruce Heather <bcheather@duke-energy.com>
Sugarland, TX USA - Tuesday, August 23, 2005 at 08:36:21 (EDT)

Hi Larry MCNutt or John McCoo if you are out there please get in touch
Sandy Claypoole WoolFall <AnneMary47@aol,.com>
Kalamazoo, MI USA - Tuesday, August 23, 2005 at 02:38:33 (EDT)

OOPS PUT WRONG EMAIL IT IS AnneMary47@aol.com
Sandy Claypoole Woolfall <AnneMary47@aol.com>
Kalamazoo, MI USA - Tuesday, August 23, 2005 at 02:35:52 (EDT)

Hi this was sent to Bruce D in error Tis is meant for Bruce E Iam writing for Lorraine Franco Lugar my best friend She had been laid iff her job where she was writing to you from, She said you can get in touchwith her at 856 678 5831 and thru me as well She looks forward tohearing from you. ANY OF YOU OTHERS WHO KNOW US FROM 1961 to 1965 and 1963 to 1957 From VanBuren St area and Elsmere etc please write us Thanks Sandy
Sandy Claypoole Woolfall <AnneNary47@aol.com>
Kalamazoo, Mi USA - Tuesday, August 23, 2005 at 02:33:47 (EDT)

Ha! When I moved up here lots of people thought Del. was a County in New Jersey anyway. Isn't the Del. River "neutral" territory and NJ begins @ the water's edge over there? In any case, they're blue states. Sorry, but living in this blue State, I continue to have the "blues".
barb <barbrhodes@comcast.net>
Peabody, Ma USA - Monday, August 22, 2005 at 19:30:37 (EDT)

I also thought that the De line extended right up to land on the Jersey side
Speeder <speedermurdoch@comcast.net>
Wilmington, De USA - Monday, August 22, 2005 at 16:30:45 (EDT)

I THOUGHT DELAWARE STATE LINE WAS LOW WATER MARK ON THE JERSEY SIDE.
DAVE <CAUFFMANDS@AOL.COM>
HOCKESSIN, DE USA - Monday, August 22, 2005 at 16:15:25 (EDT)

re THE FERRY BOAT TO RIVERVIEW - gambling wasn't allowed in DE at the time so my parents would wait until we passed over that imaginary line in the Delaware, then play nickle slots. They almost always won enough money to put me on the rides at the park.
Connie <nospamwantedatyahoo.com>
Wilmington, De USA - Monday, August 22, 2005 at 15:53:42 (EDT)

Webmaster, Ray is having computer problems with his e-mail, so I let him know that you responded about the movie he requested. I'm sure he'll get back to you ASAP. Shirl
Shirley Hudson Jester <ujest110@aol.com>
Newark, DE USA - Monday, August 22, 2005 at 14:35:31 (EDT)

The ferries also had slot machines up on the second floor as I remember. You could win all of a dime or so. Also instead of the New Castle ferry we sometimes took the Chester-Bridgeport Ferry to get to Ocean City. Still liked the New Castle boats best. Budo
Budo <bu49atpoolesite.com>
WIlmington, De USA - Monday, August 22, 2005 at 11:36:26 (EDT)

Ray, an e-mail was sent to you about The Student Prince.____And, to anyone looking for info about the Wilson Line, select "Wilmington Links" from the above 'Pull-Down'...
webmaster <webmaster@oldwilmington.net>
wilmington, de USA - Monday, August 22, 2005 at 06:36:10 (EDT)

Hey does anyone out there know where i can get a copy of an old vhs musical called the Student Prince with Edmond Purdum using Mario Lanza's voice...would love to hear if anyone knows where I can get one to make a copy of it..sure would make my day.
Ray <golfopera@aol.com>
wilmington, de USA - Sunday, August 21, 2005 at 21:21:37 (EDT)

"1989 Well-known newspaper columnist and man about town William P. Frank died in Wilmington"
Connie <nospamwantedatyahoo.com>
Wilmington, De USA - Sunday, August 21, 2005 at 12:07:32 (EDT)

Who else remembers the lines waiting to get onto the ferry to get to Jersey and back home after a week or whatever at the beach? Now you want to talk traffic jams. The line ran from the ferry dock in New Castle clear out to Hare's corner and beyond every weekend during the summer. Travelers knew to just form a line on the shoulder of the road. There are going to be skeptics out there who say "there weren't even that many cars around" but, belive me, I saw it with my own eyes. Ask anyone who went down Route 13 or 40 on a regular basis. Of course you have to remember it was the only way for people to get to Washington, Baltimore, Norfolk, or any of the beaches. If you lived in New Jersey, New York or north of that, that's the way you went.
Wayne <twntydasys@aol.com>
New Castle, DE USA - Sunday, August 21, 2005 at 07:10:21 (EDT)

If I remember correctly, the fare on the ferries was 10 cents each way. This was in the 40's.
Pat LeVan <LeVan1706@aol.com>
Port St. Lucie, FL USA - Saturday, August 20, 2005 at 22:05:29 (EDT)

Dick, do recall how much we eagerly paid for a "crossing"? I was a happy traveler back then and if the railroad owned the ferry, was it the "Pennsy" or the B&O or what? One wonders if New Jersey sat over there & reaped revenue from De. Love this site, check it each day and enjoy it's rewards.
Barb <barbrhodes@comcast.net>
Peabody, Ma USA - Saturday, August 20, 2005 at 20:17:07 (EDT)

More ferry boat stuff:Seems to me that the railroad owned the ferry co.Some of the old line mates wore hats that were just like hats worn by conductors on the railroad.The boats Florida and New York were very modern.I was proud to don my rakish mates cap and pilot the boat from pennsville to New Castle .The Captain piloted the other way.Some Captains names were,Capt.Garrison,Green,Sibley,Mamo,Hudson,Chambers.Others escape me right now.Hope this info is helpful.If I canbe of more help,use my e-mail.Dick
Dick Lloyd <lostnote@juno,com>
san diego, ca USA - Saturday, August 20, 2005 at 19:01:31 (EDT)

From "this day in Delaware history" "1965 After a proud history of contributing to the contruction of naval ships during World War II in Wilmington, the Dravo Corporation announced it would close the shipbuilding yard putting the last 80 employees out of work."
Connie <nospamwantedatyahoo.com>
Wilmington, De USA - Saturday, August 20, 2005 at 10:29:39 (EDT)

And how could I ever forget the Bay Belle. When I used to go to the "Y" camp in the 40's, Camp Tockwogh on the Chesapeake Bay, we used to always watch for the Bay Belle to go up and down the bay. They would always blow the steam whistle when they went by the camp.
Bruce D. <spyderxlatcomcast.net>
Wilmington, DE USA - Friday, August 19, 2005 at 15:40:09 (EDT)

Caught myself in a lie already: looking at pix I have of Wilson Line boats, I see some were named after cities, some after states, and one was named Dixie Belle, another Potomac, so, it seems, there wasn't a pattern for names.
Bruce D. <spyderxlatcomcast.net>
Wilmington, de USA - Friday, August 19, 2005 at 14:05:58 (EDT)

Ah Ha! That's where I remember the name Biloons from, as an appliance repair store. I don't know if this is the same, or even the same family, as the Biloon's that is being mentioned here and now, but I remember that name - though I don't remember where the appliance repair store was. Re: the ferries, I don't remember there being that many ferries, I thought there were only three or four. Hopefully, Dick has some more information he'll share with us. And no, Barb, the New Castle Ferry was a different operation than the Wilson Line Boats. The ferry carried U.S. 40 traffic across the river from New Castle to Pennsville before the DE Memorial Bridge was built; the Wilson Line was a large fleet of day cruise ships, operating out of Wilmington, Baltimore, and D.C., and maybe more places, too. From Wilmington, they had cruises up to Chester and Philadelphia, and down-river to Riverview Park, and dinner/dance cruises out to the bay and back, and to Baltimore, among many other destinations - I haven't begun to scratch the surface of where they went. Their base in Wilmington was next to the 3rd St. bridge, and they had 6 or 8 ships based in Wilmington. There is some history on the net that can be researched, I know very little - this is about the extent of my memory of the Wilson Line in Wilmington. I THINK all of the Wilson Line boats were named after states, but that's just a wild guess.
Bruce D. <spyderxlatcomcast.net>
Wilmington, DE USA - Friday, August 19, 2005 at 13:59:17 (EDT)

Re: the Ferries, Are these counted amoung the Wilson Line Boats? We used to go to the Amusement Park in NJ and also cruise to Phila. on their "moonlight"rides. So many "flashes" of memories from the good folks here! Was Biloons where one could take appliances to be repaired? I remember where the Drs. Platt had their office, as it was a place where Visiting Nurses were welcome to use their "powder room" while on rounds. BTW, is Papa's grocery still on 7th Street? This was one of the most customer friendly grocery stores ever.
Barb <barbrhodes@comcast.net>
Peabody, Ma USA - Friday, August 19, 2005 at 11:40:47 (EDT)

Fred Best. You must be younger than I am! What you called "Banjos", we called Nardo's sub shop. Nardo was a stout guy who stood about 5 feet tall. Whenever you began to order your sub he would always ask, "Pick o la Pep?" Billoon's was on the northeast corner of 4th and Franklin then but I do seem to recall another Billoon's store that sold something other than ice cream etc. at Harrison Street.
jim rambo <jrambo@comcast.net>
wilmington, de USA - Friday, August 19, 2005 at 10:39:24 (EDT)

Biloon's store was on the northeast corner of 4th & Harrison, one block east of Riccio's store which was on the northwest corner of 4th & Franklin. Banjo's sub shop was halfway between Harrison & Franklin on the north side of 4th street. When you ordered a sub at Banjo's you had to specify either hard or soft roll.
Fred Best <fred.best@usa.dupont.com>
Wilmington, Del USA - Friday, August 19, 2005 at 07:45:53 (EDT)

Re:Delaware and New Jersey Ferry Co.Names of the boats were New Castle ,Pittsburg,Cincinati,Washington,New Jersey,New York, and Florida.Theremay have been one more but I cant think of it right now.I remember plowing through the ice when the river would freeze and diving off the slip pileings in the summer.Who cared the water was dirty,so were we.
Dick Lloyd <lostnote@juno.com>
San Diego, ca USA - Friday, August 19, 2005 at 00:44:21 (EDT)

Joe Riccio and his wife were marathon dancers durning the thirties.His dad and brother Angelo ran the fruit stand at 716 Madison St
bill rogers <brogers@delanet.com>
PIKE CREEK, pa USA - Thursday, August 18, 2005 at 19:17:15 (EDT)

To the best of my fading memory, I remember that Joe Riccio ran the place at Fourth and Franklin. He had a younger guy there who was called "Leonard". It was either Joe's nephew or son; I don't know. Joe's wife was always there with him too. They were across the street from Billoon's store where we could play the pinball machine and otherwise be in everyone's way. The craziest proprietor in the area though was Lou the shoemaker, who had a shop next to Dr.Platt's Offices between 3rd and 4th on Franklin. Lou would throw hammers and even knives at you if you sat down and tried to read his Penthouse or Playboy editions! After a while it became a sport with us, like baseball or football. Who could rile Lou up the most and escape with his life.
jim rambo <jrambo@comcast.net>
wilmington, de USA - Thursday, August 18, 2005 at 17:46:11 (EDT)

Which Riccio had the place at 4th and Franklin? Jim Rambo or his sister Wheels should know, they lived right around the corner and down on Connell. There was a drug store, w/soda founatain, Riccio's, liquor store, and doctors office in a private home setting on the four corners around 58 - 60 in that era.
wayne <twntydasys@aol.com>
New Castle, De USA - Thursday, August 18, 2005 at 16:10:40 (EDT)

Bob the Riccios moved to 716 Madison St next to our house 714 Madison St.We would get thier soft tomatoes Peaches Etc.They were aces in the fruit businrss
bill rogers <Bill Rogers>
PIKE CREEK, de USA - Thursday, August 18, 2005 at 13:08:01 (EDT)

I should have remembered Millard F. Davis. We had a guy by the same name at Brown who graduated in 1960. He looked just like the character Ralph Mowf on Happy Days. His claim to fame, other than having the same name as the jeweler and looking like Ralph was great. It seems he went, as we all did in those days to Motor Vehicle at 8th and Bancroft Parkway to get that precious right of passage (the learners permit). He drove exactly one block after getting his permit only to run into another car at the intersection of 7th and Bancroft Parkway. I don’t know if he ever lived that down.
Wayne <twntydasys@aol.com>
new castle, de USA - Thursday, August 18, 2005 at 08:50:54 (EDT)

About Riccio's Fruit Market. The first location was 519 Madison St until the riots of the 60s. Angelo Riccio reopen his store at 6th and Lincoln St in the late 68. His father, Leonard had a store on King St. But I have to say that Angelo Riccio past away on July 20 of this year. He was 91 years young.
Bob Crawford (Buster) <buster1973@hotmail.com>
Fayetteville, NC USA - Wednesday, August 17, 2005 at 08:03:16 (EDT)

I believe the name of the downtown (Market between 9th and 10th, west side) jeweler who did the local High School (and U. of Del.) class rings back in the 1950's was Millard F. Davis.
Bob Wilson <wilso127@yahoo.com>
Stamford, CT USA - Wednesday, August 17, 2005 at 07:12:39 (EDT)

I still have the envelope our class pictures were in, dated oct.1957 from Lorstan-Thomas Studios, 701 Market St. I did not keep it but my mother kept everything and I had the job of clearning out her home befor nursing home and I had many memories of the past .
Jean <usa>
wilmington, De. USA - Tuesday, August 16, 2005 at 19:58:44 (EDT)

My classes at Brown Voc. (1960 & 1961) had their pictures taken at the photographer's mentioned, and our rings were done by the jeweler at 10th & Market, second floor.
Bruce D. <spyderxlatcomcast.net>
Wilmington, DE USA - Tuesday, August 16, 2005 at 14:26:39 (EDT)

About Riccios - One branch of the family moved to 4th and Franklin the other to Little Italy 7th and Lincoln (I think). As far as the pictures and the class ring went, I went to Brown and they had people come in and the pictures were taken at the school. The rings were as I remember ordered directly from there also. I think the guy (doing the pictures) did it between working for DMV or the Department of Corrections (just kidding) but seriously I wanted to burn mine then, looking back at my yearbook I know I NEVER looked like that. Loristan's was a big name in photography when I was growing up, but it was located on 7th St between Shipley and Market. I don't think they did yearbooks, but may well have done private graduation pictures. As far as jewelry stores in that area of Market Street, there was Lynn/Pauls. It,as we discussed a few months ago, was actually a front for a gambling establishment. If you knew the right people you could get a great deal on anything sold there.
Wayne <twntydasys@aol.com>
New Castle, DE USA - Tuesday, August 16, 2005 at 12:38:57 (EDT)

AH Bruce, you are correct. Don't remember the name of the jeweler either. But that area brings to mind Huber's sporting goods, where we would buy are shoes, white& tan, or white & black. Proms in the Gold Ballroom and HS Greek societies. I remember Geppa Don, Sigma Alpha Kappa & Alpha Sigma Kappa @ PSdupont. Scrubbing the steps of the YMCA with a tooth brush as a pledge. What amazes is how we got to know the bus/trolley drivers names and how they would admonish, if necessary.
Barb <barbrhodes@comcast.net>
Peabody, MA USA - Tuesday, August 16, 2005 at 12:32:21 (EDT)

Barb, wasn't the photographer at 12th & Market? Actually, a couple of addresses past 12th, on Market. Because 11th & Market was where the Post Office was, and the church, and Dupont Bldg. and Rodney Square. Along the same lines, how about the jeweler that did the high school rings, who was on the second floor of the building at 10th & Market (SW corner), over the store on the first floor. I can't remember his name, either, but I know he did the rings for all of the schools in town, as they were all displayed in his jewelry case.
Bruce D. <spyderxlatcomcast.net>
Wilmington, DE USA - Tuesday, August 16, 2005 at 11:41:19 (EDT)

Wayne, your comments bring back memories. I lived in the ninth ward and when we were allowed to take the # 11 trolley to visit "down town" we got all dressed up. Armed with $1.00, it was an important outing. AND TO THINK, you had access to those intriguing places every day. HA! My brother would buy jaw breakers, I would buy ice cream and pray for a picture of Tyrone Power on the "lid". Usually , though, I would get Joan Crawford or Wallace Berry. Are you referring to Riccio's which was relocatted to Lincoln St much later? Also, what was the name of the photographer on 11th & Market where most high school seniors went to get their pictures? Still have mine,yuck!
Barb <barbrhodes@comcast.net>
Peabody, Ma. USA - Tuesday, August 16, 2005 at 10:52:10 (EDT)

I remember a very bustling community on Madison Street in the 40s. I used to walk to school that way. Other than that however I remember all the shops, the farmers backing their trucks up on Saturdays? On Fifth St. behind the A&P was the livery stable where the farmers who still used horses kept theirs during the day. The opposite corner of fifth had a paint store with fish tanks in all the windows. In first grade(46 - 47)I used to stop there to warm up on the way to school in the winter (it got really cold then) and would walk the rest of the way with Barbara Schokley who was related to the proprietor in some way. Further up toward 6th and 7th, the street was lined with all types of shops dotted in among the row houses. One had a parrot, another a monkey. There were always a buch of old people just hanging around. At seventh there was a penny candy store, two grocery stores and of course a bar. I always had a hard time spending a nickle in the candy store (too many choices). I used to like to stop in a place between 4th and 5th that had lots of toys (little cars and trucks) but noticed at the young age of 6 the lady followed you around like you were going to put the whole store in your pockets. The man just said to call for him if it was his day to wait on people. Funny how you see people even as a little kid. The butcher shops were all there competing, I don't know how many but probably more than in all of Wilm. today. Riccio had a produce place there, my grandfather knew him well. Mr. Lewis another of Poppies friends had a shop to sharpen scissors,knifes,saws,etc. A shop that traded comic books 2 for 1 (boy wouldn't it be nice to have some of those back now). Up a block at 6th and Monroe was a dry cleaner where there was a fire at Christmas time in 1947 and a couple of kids my age were lost in it. It seems like every corner had a grocery store, bar and something else that when you look back was probably a front for a bookie place. The penny candy store comes to mind. You could live your life and never leave Madison St. Even though I lived a couple of blocks away I do have a lot of fond memories of friendly people, simpler times, and a much better world. Gone but not forgotten.
Wayne <Twntydasys@aol.com>
New Castle, DE USA - Tuesday, August 16, 2005 at 09:06:49 (EDT)

Deborah-We moved from Carter St. around 1958. Your name does not ring a bell but it's possible that our paths crossed. I,myself spent many hours at Prices Run. I remember the baby swings where my mother took us in our earlier years, sledding, swimming,etc. Always stopped at Hall's for paper dots,mary-janes and mint julips. I rememeber when some of the candy went from .01 to .02 and I found myself bewildered because I got less for my money. Remember the neighborhood birthday parties--hats, horns, nut cups with m&m's and peanuts, spin the bottle, pin the tail on the donkey. Boy, today parents cannot get away that cheap. Kid's parties today are so elaborate and costly. By the way, does anyone remember Webb's Cleaners at Vanderver at Carter, I think.
sharon rubin gorsen <shar646@aol.com>
weston, fl USA - Monday, August 15, 2005 at 23:40:52 (EDT)

Wayne the Padovanis bought the rooming house I grew up in 714 madison.In my day Madison St. was very Exciting [twenties and thirties
bill rogers <Bill Rogers>
charlston, DE USA - Monday, August 15, 2005 at 18:06:56 (EDT)

ALSO::___I have tons of photos and 3 months of additions to add to the 'Nostalgia Topics'.___This is just a note to everyone that I have not forgotten - it's just Summer, and I have a large garden to take care of in addition to some home remodeling...
webmaster <webmaster@oldwilmington.net>
wilmington, de USA - Monday, August 15, 2005 at 17:13:52 (EDT)

To Everyone::___I added the page "Historical Data" to the 'Pull-Down Menu" at the top of this page...
webmaster <webmaster@oldwilmington.net>
wilmington, de USA - Monday, August 15, 2005 at 17:06:33 (EDT)

Sharon, I lived at 114 E. 25th St., on the corner of Carter and 25th St. We moved from there in 1964. My name was Debbie Walker at that time. I wonder if we know each other? When did you live there, I was always at Prices Run Park, swimming or skating. I just stumbled onto this site also. Love to hear from you! Deborah
deborah collins <revcollins@charter.net>
Lebanon, VA USA - Monday, August 15, 2005 at 16:10:23 (EDT)

It was the Wilson Line that went to Riverview.
Connie <nospamwantedatyahoo.com>
Wilmington, De USA - Monday, August 15, 2005 at 15:59:21 (EDT)

Remember to look at the "Historical Data" section from the main page to see what was on Market St., King St. 4th St., and 10th St., at different times; I'm sure you'll find the name of the Buster Brown Shoe Store there. Connie speaks of the steamer Washington going from New Castle to Pennsville in 1951, and being the last trip; I believe that is referring to the New Castle/Pennsville Ferry, not the Wilson Line - or am I wrong again? As far as I can remember, the Wilson line to Riverview Park went from their base on the Christina in Wilmington. My brother worked on the New Castle Ferry, but I forget the name of any of the boats. The Memorial Bridge opened to traffic Aug. 16, 1951, at 12:01AM, according to Wm. Miller's book "Crossing The Delaware".
Bruce D. <spyderxlatcomcast.net>
Wilmington, DE USA - Monday, August 15, 2005 at 15:34:55 (EDT)

1951 was a very good year, Delaware Memorial Bridge opening, boat rides to Riverview Park stopped (not good), and I graduated from P. S. duPont High School. It was a fun time. The man who owned Ben's Shoe Store lives in Forwood Manor on Marsh Road near Silverside. I can't think of his name, but my mother lives there, and she's the one who told me he was there. I believe the Buster Brown Shoe Store was named just that. I don't recall any other name for that store. I have three of Larry Anderson's paintings of Wilmington, 9th & Market, 4th and Market, and 4th & King Streets. They are great conversation pieces. Everyone loves them. Shirl
Shirley Hudson Jester <ujest110@aol.com>
Newark, DE USA - Monday, August 15, 2005 at 10:36:27 (EDT)

Was this the last trip to/from Riverview Beach, NJ? "1951 The steamerWashington made its last trip from New Castle to Pennsville at 11:30 P. M. before the opening of the Delaware Memorial Bridge next day."
Connie <nospamwantedatyahoo.com>
Wilmington, De USA - Monday, August 15, 2005 at 10:14:05 (EDT)

Now that you mention the ex-ray machine at Ben's Shoes,I remember it well. When we left Wilmington in l981 to move to Florida, my husband's office employees gave him a poster sized framed print of many Wilmington landmarks (old and new) that was painted by William Renzulli. It still hangs in our den and brings back many memories. Does anyone else out there have any of his work. I believe he was a physician but painted as a hobby.
sharon rubin gorsen <shar646@aol.com>
weston, fl USA - Monday, August 15, 2005 at 09:48:15 (EDT)

Hey Jim, are you still selling those prints? Please let me know. Next: Ben's shoe store was at 3rd and King, another was at 3rd and Market. I don't remember the name but, I remember they sold Buster Brown shoes. He had his dog inside & Tigue was his name. I don't remember ever having a pair of those, although I may have. What I do remember was the xray machine you stood on and were able to see how the shoe fit on your foot. You would look through a binocular like lens and see an xray of your feet. That was probably the neatest thing a kid could imagine. It was very similar to a penny weigh scale. Years later, around the turn of the century, at a branch of a Phila. exclusive mens footware shop they had a "NEW" means of providing you with a correct fit. You guessed it, in that shop was a modern version of that old penny scale xray machine. For some outrageous fee they would use this device to measure your feet and come back with the exact fitting shoes for them. I didn't even bother to tell the 25 year old clerk. I just left smiling to myself, while mumbling "ripoff" under my breath.
Wayne <twntydasys@aol.com>
New Castle, DE USA - Monday, August 15, 2005 at 05:49:31 (EDT)

This is for Bruce D Iam writing for Lorraine Franco Lugar. She was keeping in touch through her job but has been laid off and no access to pc. She thought maybe you could give her a call at 856-678-5831 Thanks a lot Sandy
Sandy Claypoole Woolfall <AnneMary47@aol.com>
Kalamazoo, Mi USA - Monday, August 15, 2005 at 01:49:33 (EDT)

Speaking of the "Little Heel" I remember Bird Speakman's was across the street which sold angora sweaters.THE place for hats and "formals". The gas station @ the corner of Del. Ave. & Washington St. which was later moved to the Tatnall School. GOOD MOVE!
Barb <barbrhodes@comcast.net>
Peabody, Ma USA - Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 20:48:43 (EDT)

Correction- Shoe store on Delaware Ave. was THE LITTLE HEEL-famous for the "must have" pappagallo shoes.
sharon gorsen <shar646@aol.com>
weston, fl USA - Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 20:20:49 (EDT)

Ralph, Thanks for the info. re:198th. This is such a great site and each & every entry triggers another memory.
barbrhodes <barbrhodes@comcast.net>
Peabody, Ma USA - Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 20:05:25 (EDT)

Hi, I grew up in Wilmington and am happy to stumble onto this site. My grandfather owned Rawlins & Kinkade at 40th and Market Sts. I have fond memories of visiting him at work. Does anyone have a photo of the storefront?
Dustin <DRawlins78@yahoo.com>
Washington, DC USA - Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 19:59:19 (EDT)

I am so happy I found this site. Enjoy reading the archives. For a while after I was born I lived on top of my Uncle Harry's grocery store on Vandever Ave. and then moved to 22nd & Carter. What memories - George Gray, Kronfelds, Zolans, Hall's, M& M Bakery, Prices Run, A & P, Pioneer Supermarket,purchasing birthday presents for family for $.25 at Richardson's Variety on Market St, Brandywine Bakery, Food Fair on 30th market every Friday night with our whole family and then having to put away all the food, trying to sleep at night while listening to all the noise coming from the bar on 22nd and Lamotte. A not so nice memory is of my twin sister getting hit by a car on 22nd and Jessup. Fortunately, she just sustained a broken leg. We visited my grandparents on 500 Concord Ave. Remember the gas station on one corner and DiLappo's (wallpaper hanger) lived on the other corner. Walking from Carter street up the hill to Market and then onto my grandparents passing Hearn Bros. seemed like such a treacherous trip. But stopping at M& M on the way for their sicilian pizza made it more pleasant.The bus picked us up in the summer and took us to Sellers Estate Day Camp. Really loved it-learned to swim (graduating from tadpole to kingfish) and loved Uncle Hymie. We spent our weekends there with our family. Waited in line for Dry Goods to open for their one day sale. Bought shirwaist dresses in every color. My mom shopped at the nylon stocking table. Bought our shoes at Ben's Shoes store on King st. Had to have Keds. Went to Associated Hebrew School by bus after school twice a week. Attended Chesed Shel Emeth and then the old Adas Kodesh synogogue on French St. right next to the Y where I have so many fond memories. Yes, if you are reading this, Carol Gibson, we had many fun days hanging out at your house. I noticed that you are a contributor to this site. Your mom was especially nice to us. Went to Warner for 1 year and then we moved north to W.40th St. so I went to P.S Hung out at Matson Run - Amos used to throw us out of the store for loitering but his son Stan was much more lenient. We lived near the Wilm. Drama League and Scottish Rite Cathedral, Toddle House, Sears, Colonial Chevrolet. My sister entered a contest at Robert Hall and won a brand new bike (I think she stuffed the box with tons of entry forms.) I remember shopping at the Shoe Box (was that the name of it?)on Delaware ave. Had to have Pappagallos but most of the time my mom said they were far too expensive. I remember Bob Clayton from Band Stand waiting on me. I shopped at Lucilles and remember stealing the little ladybug pins off the blouses. I remember the Dandee Drive In on Gov. Printz, the roller rink and Merchandise Mart. Have been back to Wilmington to three P.S. "64" reunions (20th, 35th and 40th)and loved every moment. Later on, after I was married, I bowled in a couple's night league at Fairfax Bowling Alley- used to be Gradys on Concord Pike, I believe. I will never forget the evening-- one of our bowlers in the league, Jess Rosenberg, suffered a heart attack and passed away at the alley. Ironically, sometime late that evening or early morning, there was a huge fire at the alley and it burned to the ground. It was never rebuilt. That was quite an evening and the demise of a long standing establishment. To the person who inquired about the bath house on 3rd and Shipley - it was owned by Morris Katz and his wife Min. They were friends of my parents. I will continue to check this website periodically-it's great going back in time.
Sharon Rubin Gorsen <shar646@aol.com>
Weston, Fl USA - Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 18:57:55 (EDT)

BARBARA RHODES, IN REGARDS TO THE 198 MILITARY. MY HALF BROTHER GENE HOLT WAS IN THE 198 WHICH AS YOU KNOW WAS THE DEL. NATIONAL GUARD. THEY WERE SENT TO BOB CAT ISLAND . MY BROTHER WAS THERE FOR THREE YEARS. CAME HOME FOR 30 DAY,S. THEN THEY DID HIM A BIG FAVOR====THEY SHIPED HIM TO EUROPE WHERE HE WAS IN PATTON,S 3RD. ARMY.HE WAS ONE OF THE LUCKY ONE,S , HE MADE IT HOME . HE IS GONE NOW , BUT MY BROTHER SERVED HIS COUNTRY WELL. AS DID HIS SON BOB. AS FOR THE THANKSGIVING GAME AT THE WILM. BALL PARK, ALL I CAN SAY IS=====THOSE WERE THE DAY,S MY FRIEND !
RALPH PRYOR <REPJFK>
TARPON SPRINGS, FL USA - Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 17:15:24 (EDT)

Yes, I remember the ice skating at Twin Lakes very well. They were great times. Parking was a little difficult on the Kennett Pike but the skating made up for it, with brisk nights and smoothe ice. Years later, I bought a painting of "Twin Lakes" by Terry Newitt, now an instructor at Archmere. Couldn't refuse it because of all of the history involved. Turned out that Terry and I became partners in creating prints and selling them because after I bought the original, a bunch of people wanted it too and Terry suggested the deal. As a result, the original was paid for....and even more as they say in the commercials.
jim rambo <jrambo@comcast.net>
wilmington, de USA - Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 11:32:38 (EDT)

Skating at Twin Lakes. I remember it well,but since the Crick (Brandywine)was closer,that was my first choice.
K.Burton <breckslnkid10@yahoo.com>
Pike Creek, De. USA - Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 08:41:45 (EDT)

The old white tree on 52 reminds me of ice skating at Twin Lakes. Anyone remember that??
Marge M. <scooter1120@msn.com>
Wilmington, DE USA - Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 07:50:00 (EDT)

I had dinner (or is it supper?) at Buckley's Tavern two Saturday's ago, and it was, as always, an excellent dining experience.
Bruce D. <spyderxlatcomcast.net>
Wilmington, DE USA - Saturday, August 13, 2005 at 19:15:52 (EDT)

Buckley's has their own website = www.buckleystavern.net
Connie <nospamwantedatyahoo.com>
Wilmington, De USA - Saturday, August 13, 2005 at 16:45:19 (EDT)

There's a huge picture of BUCKLEY'S TAVERN at the following site - www.thebrandywine.com/shop/centreville. If you look to the left, you can see the sign outside Dr. Butler's Centerville Animal Hospital.
Connie <nospamwantedatyahoo.com>
Wilmington, De USA - Saturday, August 13, 2005 at 16:24:29 (EDT)

Buckley's Tavern!! Living up here now, I miss the bloody Marys served there with my nights out with the girls. Was it the Vodka, that wonderful ambience, or the company?
Barb <brhodes@comcast.net>
Peabody, Ma USA - Saturday, August 13, 2005 at 14:01:39 (EDT)

Brecks Mill -----"Brandywiners Rehearsal's" I really had an advantage over most. Growing up on Brecks Lane,directly across from Brecks Mill.I was able to enjoy the wonderful music of The Brandywiner's Rehearsal's way into the night.All from my front Bedroom. In later years,a few of my frands and I watched from the third floor of The Mill. Those were fun times back in the early 50's
K.Burton <breckslnkid10@yahoo.com>
Pike Creek, De USA - Saturday, August 13, 2005 at 13:16:15 (EDT)

The old plaster tree (cemented maybe) on the Kennett Pike: It was the one that George Washington supposedly tied his horse to during the Revolutionary War. If you didn't travel that road very often, each time you went out that way the tree seemed to have more white stuff in it. The last I remember it was about 65/35 white stuff/tree. I guess the Historical Society was the group trying to save it. I have no idea when it disappeared, but guessing, I'd say in the late 70s.
Wayne <twntydasys@aol.com>
New Castle, DE USA - Saturday, August 13, 2005 at 08:10:11 (EDT)

I do.
Bruce D. <spyderxlatcomcast.net>
Wilmington, DE USA - Saturday, August 13, 2005 at 06:04:00 (EDT)

Who remembers the old plastered tree on the Kennett Pike, Rt. 52?
webmaster <webmaster@oldwilmington.net>
wilmington, de USA - Saturday, August 13, 2005 at 04:39:20 (EDT)

Breck's Mill Rehearsals for the Brandywiners productions, ice cream cones after all courtsey of Chick Laird
barb <barbrhodes@comcast.net>
peabody, Ma USA - Friday, August 12, 2005 at 14:46:43 (EDT)

Regarding the location of Mamie's sub shop: according to my cousin, Dan Ciabattoni, it was at 2nd and Lincoln Street.
Bruce Esdale <bruce.esdale@basell.com>
Newark, DE USA - Friday, August 12, 2005 at 05:59:57 (EDT)

What ever happened to the 198th military group. My Bro-in-law was in the 198th and left for WW11 after 12/7/41. The memories have overwhelmed me this night.I remember the Thanksgiving Day football games between PS duPont & Wilm. High & the parades from school to school. The nutbread & cream cheese sandwiches @ Reynolds counter with my Mom. The circus parades coming up no. market street The Strand on Market St. and Bringhurst Woods for picnics. The implosion of the Memorial Hospital & Wilm. Gen. Getting warm donuts from Penny Hill Donut shop & finally, walking to Gassers Grocery Store to watch Mr. Gasser use the "squeeze stick" to get stuff from the top shelves.
barbara Rhodes <barbrhodes@comcast.net>
Peabody, MA USA - Thursday, August 11, 2005 at 21:36:21 (EDT)

Wayne - I had banana cream pie at a restaurant near Dry Goods years ago and couldn't remember the name of the restaurant. Someone suggested it might be the New York, but due to the fact that you mentioned their recipe for banana cream pie, I can now be sure it was there.
Connie <nospamwantedatyahoo.com>
Wilmington, De USA - Thursday, August 11, 2005 at 10:49:30 (EDT)

Bruce, Thanks - the listing proves the one speculation. The New York did in fact expand between the time the picture was taken and 1948 and took up two buildings 408 & 410. Since the expansion was to the north it could also explain why I thought the door was on the other side of the building.
Wayne <twntydsys@aol.com>
New Castle, DE USA - Thursday, August 11, 2005 at 07:30:39 (EDT)

Wayne, on the main page, on the left sidebar, click on "Historical Data". There you will find a listing of all addresses on Market St. for 1948 and 1961, which shows what stores were at what addresses along Market St., and yes, the NY Restaurant was at 408. Perhaps you are confusing the Twentieth Century Grille with the NY Restaurant? Looking at that reference will refresh your memory, I'm sure. :)
Bruce D. <spyderxlatcomcast.net>
Wilmington, DE USA - Thursday, August 11, 2005 at 06:27:50 (EDT)

Wayne, keep it short, to much info, I never read it all--just make a point.
Jean <usa>
wilmington, de USA - Thursday, August 11, 2005 at 01:05:06 (EDT)

I really don't know the name of the person who owned the New York Restaurant. That name does ring a bell for some reason though, but like I said I would not connect it there for I had no idea of the owners name. The only person I knew in the negotiations was Steve Kozmanis. Interesting though, after I got off line I picked up today’s paper and saw the article, which included the "erroneous" date mentioned and a picture of the restaurant. There's at least one thing wrong with that picture. It was historic as you could tell by the ladies turn of the century (20th) style dress. Additionally, the reference in the window to ladies being seated (presumably without gentlemen company) dated the picture. The most interesting thing however was the fact the entrance door was on the wrong side of the building. Additionally, I know I was younger and shorter, but I could swear the tables and the window sat at least a foot or so higher than the picture shows. I also thought about the address. The number 408 would have made it at least 4 buildings up from the cigar shop on the corner. I know it wasn't right next-door but don't remember three other establishments between the two. These observations (the distance from the smoke shop, and the door being on the wrong side, and the level of the window) indicate to me that the restaurant simply moved. Yes the historic society would be right; the restaurant was at 408 N. Market from 1907 until 1915. Perhaps the record was concatenated or merely continued on another page and not picked up but went on to tell the rest of the story. The complete sentence would then have read something like this: The restaurant was at 408 N. Market from 1907 until 1915, then moved to and expanded at 404 North Market St where it remained another 60 years. Is there anyone out there who does not believe this could be the reason why we are reading what we all know to be an incorrect statement today? Now I know I ate in that restaurant! I Know I was not born until 1941! There is something wrong with the statement we all read in today’s paper! I could be wrong about the door and the window, but I believe I have offered a plausible explanation that everyone could accept, and agree to, and that no one deliberately messed with history. Had it not been for one observant person or another today or within the next couple of years, that restaurant would historically only have existed for 8 years. Six months or so when I first came across this site I argued that point emphatically, and that we should include dates and correct one another and be as precise as possible, because folks believe it or not, you're writing a history book here for future generations. And, although it’s great to reminisce, we should let them know as best we can, how it "REALLY" was, and put the facts down as accurately as possible. Sorry about the soapbox again Harry, but I really feel adamant about it (just in case you didn't notice).
Wayne <twntydasys@aol.com>
New Castle, DE USA - Wednesday, August 10, 2005 at 23:11:20 (EDT)

WAYNE WAS THE NEW YORK RESTAURANT OWNED BY A GUY NAMED FRED GAMIEL?
DAVE CAUFFMAN <CAUFFMANDS@AOL.COM>
HOCKESSIN, DE USA - Wednesday, August 10, 2005 at 19:07:04 (EDT)

You are right about the Restaurant being called the Niblick. That was a nice place to go in the 60's. That was when Crab Imperial first became popular.Their's was very good. Although the Niblick is gone,many of us still use that as a land mark,when giving directions ,because people from Delaware don't use routes. Old Timer's that is.
kburton <breckslnkid10@yahoo.com>
Pike Creek, De USA - Wednesday, August 10, 2005 at 19:02:18 (EDT)

Bob Austin - You wouldn't be a relative of the late Bud Austin who worked at Haveg Ind. in Marshalton in the 60s would you? He died in a dentist chair sometime in the late 80s early 90s would have been about 65 now had he lived. I heard it was a heart attack but never found out for sure.
Wayne <twntydasys@aol.com>
New Castle, DE USA - Wednesday, August 10, 2005 at 17:08:26 (EDT)

In the late 40's and early 50's, I lived at 816 w 4th st in a 3rd floor apt. on the 1st floor was Univ. amusment where they sold and repaired Juke boxes and Pin Ball machines. At 4th and Monroe was the Blue Hen Rest., Allied Kid, Monroe liquor store and a Bar. At 4th and Adams was schultz cleaners, B's flower shop, Firestone store, and a barbara shop. Next to the shop was PATSY' sub shop. Long before Nardo's, to me they had the best subs, I am sure from all the cars that stopped, a lot of people agreed. Also from the third floor bedroom I watched the sash and Door fire, and smelt the sweet odor of the allied kid.
BOB AUSTIN <bobaus1@sbcglobal.net>
N.B., TX USA - Wednesday, August 10, 2005 at 16:42:06 (EDT)

Bruce D. - Re: the New York Resturant closing. You're correct, it had to be in the mid to late 70s when it was closing. A guy by the name of Steve Kozmanis worked for DuPont at the time and was negotiating to buy the recipe for their Bananna Creme Pie. Ah, the trivia we keep locked up for that moment when once again it becomes useful (ha ha)
Wayne <twntydasys @aol.com>
New Castle, DE USA - Wednesday, August 10, 2005 at 16:22:54 (EDT)

re: RESTAURANT ON CENTRE RD @ FAULKLAND, up from Wassam's - I think that was THE NIBLICK restaurant and pub
Connie <nospamwantedatyahoo.com>
Wilmington, De USA - Wednesday, August 10, 2005 at 16:15:20 (EDT)

re: THE NEW YORK RESTAURANT - go to home page on this site, click on photos before 1975. There is a photo of Wilmington Dry Goods 1960 and the New York Restaurant sign is on the right of the photo.
Connie <nospamwantedatyahoo.com>
Wilmington, De USA - Wednesday, August 10, 2005 at 16:12:03 (EDT)

WHAT WAS THE NAME OF THE RESTAURANT ON THE END OF THE SAME SHOPPING CENTER THAT THE PREMIUM DELI WAS IN ? I REMEMBER THEY WOULD WEIGHT YOUR MEAT WHEN YOU ORDERED.
DAVE CAUFFMAN <CAUFFMANDS@AOL.COM>
HOCKESSIN, DE USA - Wednesday, August 10, 2005 at 16:01:35 (EDT)

As a young child, our family used to get subs on our way home from church at a sub shop called Mamie's. Anyone remember Mamie's? And if so, where it was located.
Erik <heim2je@netzero.com>
Newark, DE USA - Wednesday, August 10, 2005 at 14:11:52 (EDT)

I bought my subs at Penny Hill Sub Shop and back in the 50's paid 40 cents for a small sub with everything. Seems to me the mediums were 75 cents and the large about $1.25. Anybody remember the prices?
Pat (Stillwell) LeVan <LeVan1706@aol.com>
Port St. Lucie, FL USA - Wednesday, August 10, 2005 at 12:51:25 (EDT)

Does anyone remember when the New York Restaurant, at 408 Market St. (next to Wilm. Dry) closed? An article in the News Journal this morning says that it closed in 1915. I know it was operating into the 70's and maybe into the 80's; anyone got a definitive date when it closed? The News Journal article got their information from the Historical Society of Delaware, maybe they need to recheck their references.
Bruce D. <spyderxlatcomcast.net>
Wilmington, DE USA - Wednesday, August 10, 2005 at 12:31:54 (EDT)

Sean.. Thanks for filling in the pieces about the Bischoff's delicatessen. It was 'Imperial" before they changed it to 'Premium'. I had heard that Mr. Bischoff was badly beaten.
Bruce Esdale <bruce.esdale@basell.com>
Newark, DE USA - Wednesday, August 10, 2005 at 12:03:22 (EDT)

The owner of the Premium Deli, which was in Chestnut Run shopping Center, near the old Wassams Store, also owns he Imperial Deli in Fairfax Shopping Center. His wife told me that they closed the store at Chestnut Run when they were held up and her husband was so badly beaten he had to be hospitalized.
Sean Kirkpatrick <ekn64@aol.com>
Wilmington, De USA - Wednesday, August 10, 2005 at 11:45:23 (EDT)

Talking about sub shops, does anyone in the old 9th ward remember Boles' Sub Shop and Deli. It was on 29th St. between West & Washington. Their sub were really good and quite large if I remember correctly. Tom's on Market ST. between 29th & 30th were also good and they made great cheesesteaks. Jake's Market on the corner of 27th & Tatnall subs were also pretty good. They were the closest to where I lived, so we got subs there most of the time.
Sandy Paski Conner <bsconne@msn.com>
Bear, DE USA - Wednesday, August 10, 2005 at 11:21:46 (EDT)

Wayne and others...yes, it was 'Premium Delicatessen' at the Falkland Heights shopping center. However, I think he changed the name after the IRS fiasco you mentioned. The new name escapes me since it's been 20 years I've been up that way. The people, the Bischoffs, were, indeed, German but nice, hard-working people. It was the missus who appeared to be the pants wearer. She was a typical, tough, no-nonsense Frau and Mr. Bischoff, who I always called "Pop", was very quiet (as was their children, a boy and girl, who also worked at the store). You're right about the pepperoni on the subs and they were huge subs. That's why most of us ordered small or medium. Seemed like every day we had subs or steaks for lunch while playing bridge. Remember the bridge games? Boy, they were competitive, eh? Mike Gross, Pete Walsh and Pete Figgs, Gene Clere, John Baldo were various partners. General Vavala was just a plain 'Looie' at the time.
Bruc e Esdale <bruce.esdale@basell.com>
Newark, DE USA - Wednesday, August 10, 2005 at 06:09:34 (EDT)

Bill - now that you mention it, I vaugely remember that it was down the street and moved around 47 or 48. Being from 8th & Madison you must know the Padovonni family, the Janviers (Janveers then)(now with a jewelery store pronounced Jan-V-eh?). I have a friend who bought the house on the north-east corner of 8th & Madison in 79 or 80. It was the one that faced Madison, ran up eigth and had a radio repair shop or something on the 8th St side in the 50s. He completely gutted the inside, down to the brick walls. He and his wife rebuilt it and had a beautiful place. They both worked for the State in the Child Protective Services Division, so they new what was there, but heard the rebirth of the city promises, and moved in anyway. The lady who ran the Deer Head Hot Dog place (for decades)lived behind them on 8th going up toward Jefferson. Next door on Madison was the head of the Postal Workers Union (his name escapes me right now - Malcom maybe). People were buying shells up and down the block. Wilmington was turning around. One morning he woke up to people yelling across Madison next to the old corner store (not mom & pop but the Acme or A&P - something) where a guy on a ladder was stripping the copper facia off the bay window of a guys house while he was sleeping in that very room. Drug raids were a weekly occurance on 8th street. There were people being raped in the middle of the night on the street below his bedroom window. Anyway he had a couple of kids and there was no place for them to play, so after about 6 or 8 years they gave up and moved to the suburbs. He lucked out, and got his money, and his life back. I still belive you can make a silk purse from a sows ear, butI don't think Wilmington (or even little pieces of it that have gone) will ever be the same again. That's a real shame, I hope I didn't sadden too many of you out there. I know that it has had an effect on me.
Wayne <twntydasys>
newcastle, de USA - Tuesday, August 09, 2005 at 23:32:13 (EDT)

Wayne as an eighth and Madison streeter Charlys was our hangout.He first opened at fifth and Madison,then moved to eighth.He was the first sub vender in Wilmington.He lost his oldest son [our buddy] in Italy during ww2. The family came from Chester
bill rogers <brogers@delanet.com>
PIKE CREEK, de USA - Tuesday, August 09, 2005 at 19:18:35 (EDT)

I knew he was foriegn. I also remember they (the feds) shut him down for a day. The word around C.R.Site was he was not paying wage taxes for the people who worked for him. It sure didn't affect the way he made a sub, and he must have paid up. He was only closed a day or so. Only place I ever saw pepperoni on a sub - nice touch.
Wayne <twntydasys@aol.com>
New Castle, DE USA - Tuesday, August 09, 2005 at 18:28:58 (EDT)

THE SUB STORE IN CHESTNUT RUN I THINK WAS PREMIUM DELICATESSN AND WAS RUN BY A GERMAN.
DAVE CAUFFMAN <CAUFFMANDS@AOL.COM>
HOCKESSIN, DE USA - Tuesday, August 09, 2005 at 16:41:30 (EDT)

Bruce E. - What was the name of the one over by Chestnut Run in the Faulkland Road Shopping Center. They used to put pepperoni on theirs. You could barely get your mouth around it. Everybody from DuPont went either there or to Caz's in Elsmere courtesy of Maj.Gen.Frank Vavala who worked with Bruce and me. He knew Caz personally and had a phone number that even close to lunch time, (well thats tales out of school).
Wayne <twntydasys@aol.com>
New Castle, DE USA - Tuesday, August 09, 2005 at 13:45:00 (EDT)

Patty...yes, I remember the "ice house" next to Frankie's. However, I believe it was a few doors down toward 4th street. They had quite an assortment of flavors for 'sno-balls' in addition to selling water ice. They also sold 'NeHi' sodas as well. I don't think their water ice compared favorably to that at 6th and Lincoln. The Fusco family made this delicious treat and sold it at a stand next to their 'mom and pop' diner they ran (they made great chocolate milkshakes!!). If you lived on the same block as Frankie's, I'm sure you dropped by, up the block on Lincoln Street, at my aunts' and uncles' bakery, Zappaterrine's?!
Bruce Esdale <bruce.esdale@basell.com>
Newark, DE USA - Tuesday, August 09, 2005 at 12:29:48 (EDT)

In the 40's there was a little place on Madison Street, between 8th and 9th, up from where Dawsons Seafood was located called Charlie's. Maybe it was because it was the first time I remember having a sub, I always thought they were really good, and compared everyhing with them for quite a while. I know that Nardo's was very popular with the city fire department in the 50's. At that time they were located on 4th Street, either just above Monroe or Adams on the North side of 4th. I used to go down and get orders for my stepfather to take into work with him. Although I personally never had one of theirs, Philomena's was very popular also. I think it was out around Scott or Lincoln St. on Second. Yatz's was very popular with the Browntown/Hedgeville crowd. He had a place up behind Maryland Ave & Broom St, right behind the animal hospital (used to be a gas station). His son opened up a place on Union on the corner of 6th or 7th a few years back. I don't know if it's still there or not. I don't go into Wilmington as much as I used to (no gun permit). Five Points was real popular in the late 70's early 80's. A lot of the sub shops branched out into pizza and that kind of took its toll too. I remember Tom's in Newport. I used to go there, It was convient to home at the time. I asked to use the rest room one very busy Saturday during a long wait. There was a guy sitting in there peeling onions - I didn't bother to pick up my sandwich and never went back. About one place being better than all the rest - I belive one can be the most popular, but each of us has different tastes and it wouldn't be quite the same if we all liked only vanilla. As they say variety is the spice of life, one day you like Pat's one day you'd rather have Casapulla's - but nobody doesn't like Sara Lee. Then as someone mentioned earlier there's Subway.
Wayne <Twntydasys@aol.com>
New Castle, DE USA - Tuesday, August 09, 2005 at 07:47:12 (EDT)

Bruce, you're right - I forgot that Frankie's had great subs too - and for a few years I lived on the same block - how lucky! Remember the "ice house" that was next door to Frankie's? When we were kids, there was another water ice place on 6th & Lincoln. My dad would bring a large cookie jar up to have it filled - it only cost a quarter!
Patty <pattywerk@aol.com>
Wilmington, DE USA - Tuesday, August 09, 2005 at 06:43:28 (EDT)

Not to take anything away from any of the other sub shops mentioned, rather to add a couple of good sub shops, in the 60's and 70's, Premium Deli on Maryland Ave. had great subs. And too, there was always on top of my list: Penny Hill Sub Shop. I don't know the name, but in the early 50's, my family used to drive cross town to a great little sub shop in Little Italy somewhere - their subs were so good that we would travel from North Wilmington all the way over there.
Bruce D. <spyderxlatcomcast.net>
Wilmington, DE USA - Tuesday, August 09, 2005 at 06:24:27 (EDT)

Although the Capriottis and the Casapullas can put out tasty steaks and subs, back in the 50's and 60's Frankie's (5th and Union) and Gino's (6th and Lincoln) put out some pretty good mouth-watering subs and steaks. For several years, Teddy Messina had a shop with decent sandwiches. The Little Italy section certainly excelled in good food especially lemon water ice in the summer.
Bruce Esdale <bruce.esdale@basell.com>
Newark, DE USA - Tuesday, August 09, 2005 at 06:02:39 (EDT)

RE Allied Kid & Adams Four: Assuming that Adams Four runs from Monroe to Adams and 2nd to 4th. Those blocks in the 40's and 50's were as follows: The Blue Hen Resturant was at the corner of 4th and Monroe and then row houses on up 4th to Adams. On 3rd there was a candy store at the corner of Monroe and again row houses up 3rd to Adams St. The square across 3rd street from Monroe to Adams then down a block toward Second St. to a short street (I don't know its name) that ran parallel between 2nd and 3rd from Monroe to Adams is where Mary C.I. Williams grade school sat. From the short street on down to Second and from Monroe to Adams were again houses. Allied Kid was on Fourth Street between Madison and Monroe (a block before reaching the current site of Adams Four.) A small ice house sat across Fourth Street in the middle of the block. In older days the leather factories were also known as Morroca Shops. All I knew was that they stunk up the surronding neighborhood, and couldn't understand how anyone could live there. But,then you did what you had to do (the good old days remember). Wayne
Wayne <twntydasys@aol.com>
New Castle, DE USA - Monday, August 08, 2005 at 17:56:55 (EDT)

SUBS - Who out there remembers "Do you want that on a Hard or a Soft roll"? Better yet, where in the world did they come up with "OIL or Mayonnaise" on that? And yet they say all change is for the best, Wayne
Wayne Butler <twntydasys@aol.com>
New Castle, DE USA - Monday, August 08, 2005 at 17:30:19 (EDT)

While I'm here, does anyone remember a WAMS DJ, from the early 70's, whose name was Bob Rich who had a sidekick by the name of Seymour Duck?
Dave Martin <DMARTIN@SKFDELAWARE.COM>
Wilmington, De. USA - Monday, August 08, 2005 at 14:46:48 (EDT)

I lived at 915 Elm St., in the early 60's, and that factory also had a large water tower (that I was terrified of at the tender age of five and six) I know Allied Kid is where the Adams Four shopping center is now. So the factory probably was the other mentioned. Thanks.
Dave Martin <DMARTIN@SKFDELAWARE.COM>
Wilmington, De. USA - Monday, August 08, 2005 at 14:38:27 (EDT)

I've never had a Jann's steak, but the best subs (real ones)are from 1) Casapulla's, and 2) Capriotti's. Despite it's name, Subway does NOT make real subs - they make sandwiches. And yes, the Post House is a trip back in time - it looks the same as in the 50's, but it could use a good cleaning. You still can't beat The Charcoal Pit on Concord Pike for a great hamburger/cheeseburger. Those who rave about Jake's, probably have never tried The Charcoal Pit! There's no comparison.
Patty <pattywerk@aol.com>
Wilmington, DE USA - Monday, August 08, 2005 at 14:29:23 (EDT)

David, do you mean the Dart garage at Lancaster Ave. & Maryland Avenue? I'm not from that side of town, and there are many on here who are, but Allied Kid was on 4th St., and Amalgamated Leather was over that way somewhere near where you are speaking, could that be the one you're thinking of? There were others, too, but I'll let those more knowledgable fill you in.
Bruce D. <spyderxlatcomcast.net>
Wilmington, DE USA - Monday, August 08, 2005 at 14:14:28 (EDT)

Deborah, I was 10 years before you at the Memorial Hospital. Of the things you mention, I'm happy to tell you that the Post House is still in business, and the one at Lancaster & Union still has the same cooking and serving equipment that you probably remember - a true step back in time (I'd hate to look under those serving tables and stove). I don't know if they still have the baked beans in the crock, as I only stop for breakfast occasionally, but they still do breakfasts as they used to - and still advertise the Postburger! Govato's is still at 8th & Market, churning out their delicious candies, and of course Wilmington still has it's subs - although the Philly name of hoagie is drifting into the language by those who don't know the difference, and more and more places are calling a Wilmington-style cheese steak a Philly cheese steak, again so named by those that don't know the difference. Do you remember Jann's Steaks? The best steak sandwich I've ever tasted - none other compare to this day. I wish Jann would come out of retirement, if she is still with us, and start making her steaks again.
Bruce D. <spyderxlatcomcast.net>
Wilmington, DE USA - Monday, August 08, 2005 at 14:10:30 (EDT)

There used to be a leather factory where DART now has it's garage. Does anyone remember the name of the factory?
David C. Martin <DMARTIN@SKFDELAWARE.COM>
Wilmington, De. USA - Monday, August 08, 2005 at 13:41:17 (EDT)

I was born at Delaware Memorial Hospital in 1951. Does anyone remember Jake the blind broom man; the peanut man with the monkey on King Street; the Post House-great Boston baked beans in a crock; swimming and ice skating at Prices Run Park; Shortlidge Elementary School and Patsy's; the race riots where we had to use cards to get in and out of the city after 6 pm; the post office before they built that monstrosity on top!! Horn and Hardartt's at the Merchandise Mart; and of course, Wilmington Dry Goods; Pop's on Market Street; the soda fountain at Woolworth's; the black women who would sit in the women's bathrooms and clean up after us! Alexis I. duPont High School, the old one and the new; the hill in Hockessin was great for sledding; I attended McCabe Memorial United Methodist-Episcopal Church which is now Peninsula-McCabe I believe; Govato's caramel candy; Fannie Farmer candy store; and real subs!!
Deborah Collins <revcollins@charter.net>
Lebanon, VA USA - Monday, August 08, 2005 at 13:05:48 (EDT)

There was a McCardell Desco. I believe that they did industrial plumbing work. I knew a guy who worked with them. He applied collars to pipes that would freeze the flowing substance in them. Then they could cut and repair the pipe. Last I heard they were located on Basin Road, about where the News Journal offices are now.
jim rambo <jrambo@comcast.net>
wilmington, de USA - Monday, August 08, 2005 at 11:23:14 (EDT)

Wasn't there a McCardell Desco outfit in town that sold plumbing or electrical supplies to the building trades? It could also have been a plumbing & heating outfit. I seem to remember it as being a rather large outfit, not some small time thing, but something working with the trades. I don't see anything in the phone book that brings up old memories but will check around with a few people. I'm sure some of the grads from Brown Voc. will remember the name. Wayne
Wayne <twntydasys@aol.com>
New Castle, DE USA - Saturday, August 06, 2005 at 21:31:45 (EDT)

I'm trying to gather some information on a company that my grandfather worked - for over 50 years. The name was the Desco Corporation. I know it was located in Wilmington, not sure where. What did they make? When did it close? I would appreciate any information you could give me.
diane <dionne824@aol.com>
wilmington, de USA - Friday, August 05, 2005 at 19:38:13 (EDT)

I vaguely remember the second event, the three boys killed on the railroad track.
Connie <nospamwantedatyahoo.com>
Wilmington, De USA - Thursday, August 04, 2005 at 16:25:02 (EDT)

Here are a couple of dark memories: I went to River Road Elementary School in the late ‘60s. Dalton Leach (or Leech) was a grade ahead of me. He was extremely tall for his age. He had a deep voice and was somewhat gangly in appearance. I believe it was a cold, snowy late November or December. Dalton plunged a steak knife into his grandmother’s chest while she was resting – killed her. He left the house, and ran through the snow barefooted, no hat, no coat, shirt open. He ran to the St. Augustine Bridge where he jumped off. The police said they followed the bloody bare foot prints from the front door, down the street, to the bridge. Below the bridge against the rock-ridden Brandywine River bottom was Dalton - dead. It was a clear sky Saturday. The police, fire trucks, and ambulance sirens screamed non stop all morning and afternoon on the Governor Printz Boulevard. I lived on River Road in Bellevue Manor across from Seton Villa. I was visiting my pal Tad who lived on the corner of River Road and Bellevue Boulevard. We could see all the activity was centered around the black steel trestle bridge on the train tracks. Everywhere Tad and I rode our bikes we couldn’t escape the shrill din. On and on the cacophony and chaos continued: something really bad must have happened. We didn’t dare ride our bikes near the scene: too scared. There were men scattered up and down the tracks, in the water and along the embankment. Monday morning at River Road Elementary our teacher Mr. Ozarosky looked teary-eyed and distraught. “We lost a classmate this weekend. Jim and his brothers were killed by a metro liner...” Jim Wilhelm and his two younger brothers were playing on the trestle. They couldn’t get out of the way fast enough for the speeding 120mph metro liner. I looked over at Jim’s empty desk: the sirens, chaos and din were for him. I attended their funeral at Chandler Funeral Home: three white little caskets side-by-side. Does anyone remember these two events? J. Prock
Joe Prock <jlma.prock@prodigy.net>
Dallas, TX USA - Thursday, August 04, 2005 at 12:10:35 (EDT)

As a kid in the 1950s when all the dinner/supper vernacular was sorting itself out, we perceived "supper" as an evening meal just meant to feed the family while a "dinner" was a more formal meal reserved for holidays, weddings, etc.
Larry Roszkowiak (Rush) <lroszkowiak@its.ucsf.edu>
San Francisco, CA USA - Thursday, August 04, 2005 at 11:35:36 (EDT)

Thanks for the in-put on Dinner verses Supper,very interesting answers.
KBurton <breckslnkid10@yahoo.com>
Pike Creek, De. USA - Wednesday, August 03, 2005 at 22:23:55 (EDT)

Here's a guess - could something have happened around the time Swansons and others started packaging "TV DINNERS"?? Could that have affected our vocabulary in a subdued manner?? What about(around the same time) when we all moved out of apartments into houses in the suburbs and they had "dining" rooms. The furniture people sold us tables that were "dining" room tables not "supper" room tables. As more and more people heard this word the association became stronger and finally just took over. Like the horseless carriage evolved into the automobile and so forth, as it got further from its roots and familiarity, until its now just a car (probably short for carriage?) The tough thing about it however, is the fact that whatever you want to call it, it's nowhere as good as the stuff that Grandmom put on the table. Have a great evening meal people, no matter what you want to call it, and be thankful you have it, Wayne
Wayne <twntydasys@aol.com>
New Casle, DE USA - Wednesday, August 03, 2005 at 20:10:58 (EDT)

The internet seems to keep defining dinner vs supper as follows: din·ner - The chief meal of the day, eaten in the evening or at midday. - A banquet or formal meal in honor of a person or event. sup·per - A light evening meal when dinner is taken at midday. - A light meal eaten before going to bed. - A dance or social affair where supper is served. But, I know what you mean - years ago, when we ate our main evening meal, light or heavy, it was "supper". Everyone I knew also called it supper. I never heard anyone having dinner at midday or before going to bed! Anyway, it's an interesting question - I can't even remember when we all started calling it dinner!
Patty <pattywerk@aol.com>
Wilmington, DE USA - Wednesday, August 03, 2005 at 19:40:50 (EDT)

Typically a supper party was a light meal (refreshments, tid-bits etc.) similar to those now served at a buffet. Instead, this fare was usually passed around by staff after a dance, play, or some other such event, to a standing, mingling group of guests. A dinner party was much more formal and the guests were expected to dress for a sit down event. Sometimes its nice that the need for some words pass away, "hoi pol-loi" comes to mind. Wayne
Wayne <twntydasys@aol.com>
New Castle, DE USA - Wednesday, August 03, 2005 at 15:38:58 (EDT)

New Topic : "Supper verses Dinner" Does anyone out there remember just when the evening meal was no longer referred to as Supper ? We as kids were called home for Supper,there were Supper Clubs.I still have an invitation from 1953,which reads. Mr.P.S.DuPont ivites you to attend a supper party to be held at Longwood immediately following the performance of "The New Moon" Friday,July 31st It's funny how some words just fade away !!!!!!
KBurton <breckslnkid10@yahoo.com>
Pike Creek, De USA - Wednesday, August 03, 2005 at 07:50:40 (EDT)

I have a black daughter-in-law and a black son-in-law. Yet, my wife and I welcomed them into our family with open arms and love. Of course, we were taken aback, not by their skin color, but the fact they would be subjected to ridicule by people whose ignorance do not know any bounds. Growing up in Wilmington, some of my best friends were black, especially during high school. We have six grandchildren of dual heritage as part of our large contingent of grandchildren. We love them all but we worry because, as Bill Fisher aptly put it, progress, "...is painfully slow..." in ridding society of racial prejudice. Besides, our great city was built by many people of different races and creeds especially black people.
Bruce Esdale <bruce.esdale@basell.com>
Newark, DE USA - Wednesday, August 03, 2005 at 07:32:28 (EDT)

I spent some of my early years in Virginia and North Carolina, and can remember quite well the signs on restrooms: "Men", and "White Men". Same for drinking fountains and restaurants, movies, buses, etc. It was very clear that racial prejudice was rampant. When I moved to Wilmington in the mid-40's, I no longer saw the signs, but it was more of an "understood" thing that non-whites simply didn't do many of the things that white folks took for granted. That gradually started disappearing over time, but I know there are still many things that need to be changed. Progress is definitely being made, but it's painfully slow...
Bill Fisher <whfisher@earthlink.net>
Westminster, CA USA - Wednesday, August 03, 2005 at 01:56:45 (EDT)

Re Prejudice : I sometimes find it hard to believe,that in my lifetime there were so many rules,against the "Colored People" as they were called in the 50's. There were Separate Restaurant's, Separate Movie Theater's , and seating on the Bus was back seats only. What a terrible injustice that was. I was young at the time and just accepted it. It wasn't until I was older,that I realized how very wrong these rules were.
K Burton <breckslnkid10@yahoo.com>
Pike Creek, De USA - Tuesday, August 02, 2005 at 09:53:46 (EDT)

As one of median age (I think) within the group here, (I'm 63) I have to say "proudly" the only sign I ever saw in my life was not in our fair city. It was on an extended weekend in the early 50s and we had gone to Asbury Park, New Jersey. While taking in the sites of this new place in my life, I saw a billboard that stated as plain as day that "colored people" were not allowed in this wonderful city of theirs after dark. That was not much over 50 years ago. I was probably about 11 years old, but even at that age I was so dumbfounded, that I still remember that incident. And belive it or not "YES" it was in fact a billboard, not some printed little sign on a resturant door or something of that nature. At the time I was totaly naive, and had no idea why such a sign would exist. I remember my parents brushing it off and not giving me an answer but saying some people just think differently and in different parts of the country there are different rules. However just because there was no billboard, it does not mean we did not have our share of Archie Bunkers. Sometimes you have to wonder, "Is it better when it's out in the open like Asbury Park, or hidden away and waiting to rear its ugly head when you least expect it and, your back is turned." Yeah thank goodness we don't have anything like that around here.
Wayne <twntydasys@aol.com>
New Castle, DE USA - Tuesday, August 02, 2005 at 06:31:38 (EDT)

JOE MOSBROOK, THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO ANSWER MY OLD WILM. NET E- MAIL. IN REGARDS TO JIM TERMINE.
RALPH PRYOR <REPJFK>
TARPON SPRINGS , FL USA - Monday, August 01, 2005 at 17:28:18 (EDT)

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