Visitors Nostalgia & Memories

(Archive #38: February 1, 2007 to February 28, 2007 entries)

Bruce: I understand your switching to XM Sat ... I listen to their '50s on 5 channel, but I do not like their DJ's ... I would prefer solid music. (Sounds kind of traitorious of me, doesn't it, since I have made money as a DJ! But their DJ's are lousy.) Bob: I have been "Scott Dayton" since 1967 and have no plans to change. Our local stations are switching to HD (high definition) over the next 2 years so who knows what will open up. I still co-host a Saturday morning show that auctions of products and services, but I miss spinning the music. Down here I am known as an authority on oldies (50's/60's) music and I get challenged wherever I go ... that is fun. But I still miss on-air doings. Janet Smiley: Yes, I remember the Smileys who lived up the street from us when we lived in Gordy Estates. My mother, Doris Pollitt, who lives with me and is now 86, remembers them better than I do, of course, as she has more years of memories than I do! Irene Wadman and Donna Wadman Ellis: Hiya, cousins! Haven't seen ya'awl in years but I think about all of you all of the time. I am very sorry to be stuck down here in Flora-Duh and would exit, stage left, if I could. Right now, though, it is not in the cards.
Roy C. Pollitt <>
Punta Gorda, FL USA - Wednesday, February 28, 2007 at 13:53:46 (EST)

Roy, I echo Bob's thought for you getting a new job. I'm sure you are right about the stations way of saving money. I gave up on radio a couple of years ago and only listen to XM satellite. Good Luck.
Bruce <>
Sugarland, TX USA - Wednesday, February 28, 2007 at 12:48:41 (EST)
Does anyone remember the Women's Wilmington All Star Basketball Team of 1946?
Irene Smiley Wadman <>
Wilmington, DE USA - Wednesday, February 28, 2007 at 11:21:15 (EST)
For Janet Smith Smiley: Did you live on Tatnall St. in the 40's?
Pat Stillwell LeVan <>
Port St. Lucie, FL USA - Wednesday, February 28, 2007 at 10:09:03 (EST)
Dear Roy Pollitt: I am related to Harvey Wadman, former Wilmington chief of police. Harvey had a son who married Irene (Smiley) Wadman, sister of my late husband, Jack M. Smiley.
Janet Smith Smiley <>
Wilmington, DE USA - Tuesday, February 27, 2007 at 20:53:02 (EST)
Mike, I remember well the "platforms" and the purpose of their use, as well as the salamanders you mentioned - there was another large trestle which I think the B & O Railroad went over that we used to explore a lot and it was our favorite one - was it near Harvey or Darley Road? Anyway, it was some distance from the RR to the water down below and was really quite picturesque. Butch
Butch Schilling <>
Mount Pleasant, SC USA - Tuesday, February 27, 2007 at 15:37:09 (EST)
Currently, fire stations are listed under "Buildings & Locations..."
Webmaster <>
Wilmington/Perryville, DE/MD USA - Tuesday, February 27, 2007 at 07:05:54 (EST)
I don't see anything on old fire departments. Can you add this to your list of places?
Jim Montague <>
kennett sq, Pa USA - Monday, February 26, 2007 at 17:56:22 (EST)
Roy, hope you land on your feet soon. Please let us know what your new affiliation will be, if you decide to hang in there on the radio. Tell us/me again what your on-air moniker was/is, and whether you will keep it. Good luck. I've been a 'radio listener person' ever since the early 1940's, and will be so even after I get to that great Hallicrafter's in the sky.
Bob Wilson <>
Beaufort, SC USA - Monday, February 26, 2007 at 13:18:03 (EST)
Ray Jubb, Thanks for your reply on the Farmer Market. That burglar you caught most likely believed he had the right to make a midnight requisition.
Robert J. McKelvey <>
Cape May, N.J. USA - Sunday, February 25, 2007 at 20:53:07 (EST)
butch- remember the "platforms" built in the colvert under windybush rd so we could be comfortably out of the water. the hours spent along that creek catching salemanders. et al. i still remember how clean the water was. "the dribble creek historical society" still meets every july for a campout (jophnny anbd all his clan and joan and all her clan and most years i join them). 2 years ago we had a "crafts show" trade in recognition of the traditions, with everyone bringing a sample of their arts and crafts endeavours. quite a surprising variety. remember the time spent "exploring" the other three creeks between marsh road and darley road. they were a wonderful playground growing up.
michael mullins <>
wallkill, ny USA - Sunday, February 25, 2007 at 17:41:55 (EST)
I remember Gene Lammont very well. We had a lunch club that met at the Town House on Shipley St.some of the other members were Chief John Smith, Walt Bishoff from News Journal, Henry Winchester, several lawyers. We would have a family get together at Gene's place in Md. I remember I had a Lab dog and he insisted I bring him along as the house was on the water. Gene's neighbor was not a bit friendly and fed geese daily. Gene got a kick out of it when my dog would chase the geese and the neighbor would holler.
Harry Brand <>
Wilmington, de USA - Sunday, February 25, 2007 at 16:48:21 (EST)
I have an autograph book from Bayard School class of 1939. It was my Aunt's, Mary Subda. If anyone is interested in it, e-mail me. I hate to throw it away and would love to pass it on if anyone wants it.
Bernadette Subda Drozd <>
Wilmington, DE USA - Sunday, February 25, 2007 at 15:18:29 (EST)
To Bob McKelvey: I remember the Madison Street Farmers very well. I used to have to pull a wagon from Read & Jackson Streets down to Madison with my Mother. We would start at Sullivan's meet Market in the 200 Block of Madison St and go up form there passing all the Farmers and their produce, buying a little here, and a little there till we got to 9TH and Madison where upon She would go into the Acme Market on the S. W. Corner of 9TH and Madison while I waited outside guarding the Wagon full of produce. We would then go up 9TH Jackson and South on Jackson to home. I later in the early 60's caught a Burglar coming out of Sullivan's Market with about 10 Cartons of smokes and a side of beef about 3:00 in the morning, he did what they called midnight shift shopping.
Ray Jubb <>
wilmington De., De. USA - Sunday, February 25, 2007 at 13:09:00 (EST)
Bob ... thanx for the query about my broadcasting endeavors. However, with the ever popular corporate BS now prevalent in the industry, even though I was the most popular DJ on the 2nd most listened to station in the county I was laid off in January 2007 so corporate HQ could save a few measly bucks.
Roy C. Pollitt <>
Punta Gorda, FL USA - Sunday, February 25, 2007 at 08:43:38 (EST)
Roy - Tell us your broadcast name and station call letters again, what time you're on the air, and what is the nature of your play list. I have good friends in North Port and I want them to tune you in. Is the signal strong enough to carry across the Bay?
Bob Wilson <>
Beaufort, SC USA - Sunday, February 25, 2007 at 07:27:00 (EST)
In answer to Ray's question as to Gene Lammot's term as Mayor, I hate to admit it but I am not totally sure but I do believe it was in late 50's. I remember the group of police coming down to cottage he had in MD and really having a great time. Johnny Clark was one of them so if you remember him, maybe that gives you a timeline. Eugenia Bonner
Eugenia Bonner <>
Wilmington, DE USA - Saturday, February 24, 2007 at 19:59:50 (EST)
Curious ... does anyone remember my great-uncle, Harvey Wadman Sr., who was Chief of Police of Wilmington back in the 1950's? He passed away when I was only 15, so I have limited memories of him.
Roy C. Pollitt <>
Punta Gorda , FL USA - Saturday, February 24, 2007 at 16:51:29 (EST)
Bob .... Speaking of the Four Aces ... Al Alberts, and his bw, Stella, live just a few short miles from me down here in Florida. Al and/or Stella call me every now and then to chat ... nice folks! 78 RPM records were before my record collecting days, (I bought my first 45 in 1956 ... "The Green Door" by ex-DJ Jim Lowe) but I have a Four Aces 45 RPM on a label before they went to Decca. BTW, I bought my second car from Holiday Lincoln-Mercury in 1978 ... which was owned or co-owned at that time by Ken Silvestri, brother of Lou Silvestri of The Four Aces. Small world.
Roy C. Pollitt <>
Punta Gorda, FL USA - Saturday, February 24, 2007 at 16:48:15 (EST)
Norman - For me, the memory of the Old Mill up on Rte.#1 will always make me think of the unforgettable Screamin' Jay Hawkins. Of course, who can forget Al Alberts and the other Three Aces? They had "Sin" as a local 78 RPM pressing on the Victoria label out of Philly, which became such a nationwide hit so quickly that it was re-pressed for full US distribution on the Decca or whatever label. 'Willie Gaylord' and Roy Pollitt may even remember this. I may even still have a copy of the Victoria pressing somewhere among my souvenirs. We've talked about the Aces before in this Forum.
Bob Wilson <>
Beaufort, SC USA - Saturday, February 24, 2007 at 16:10:25 (EST)
HERE WE GO AGAIN!!!___From the 'Pull Down Menu' ABOVE, select "Restaurants, Deli's".___Go to the bottom of the page and you can read alllll about the restaurants that occupied 2020 Naamans Road...
Webmaster <>
Wilmington/Perryville, DE/MD USA - Saturday, February 24, 2007 at 11:23:38 (EST)
Anyone remember the Madison Street Farmers Market? Local and out of state farmers would back their trucks to the curb on the west side of Madison Street. They would sell produce and chickens, and fruit from the back of their pick-up trucks. I recall my father saying the practice was stopped because the fire engines could not get through the area with the trucks parked as they were blocking most of the street. I believe King st. had a Farmers Market, was this at the same time? I can still picture the trucks parked closely together just below Sacred Heart Church. I remember they even brought baby chicks, ducks and kittens to sell. The trucks were all parked on the west side of the street. ....Bob
Robert J. McKelvey <>
Cape May, N.J. USA - Saturday, February 24, 2007 at 10:50:59 (EST)
To Phyllis and Jean---Before the Admiral's Inn, this establishment was called The Cedar Inn. We used to go there on Sat. night , it was a drafty old log cabin style bar. We also went to the the Old Mill on Rt. #1. where the Four Aces were a regular group, they were just starting out and were very friendly, they would even sit with you and have a drink.
Norman <>
Wilmington, DE USA - Saturday, February 24, 2007 at 10:41:48 (EST)
To Dave C. I remember seeing the city workers, I guess, use front end loaders to load the snow into trucks, but never knew where they went. I guess they thought the river would cleanse itself. Outa sight-outa mind.
brownys <>
Wilm., Delaware USA - Friday, February 23, 2007 at 18:17:21 (EST)
Michael Mullins, Does all this talk about "The Crick" harken back to the days of Dribble Creek, which your dad named his Arts & Crafts Shop after? Seems some of the moms in the neighborhood decided if we got near it, we would surely get polio, or "infantile paralysis," as they called it back then. They dubbed it "The Polio Brook." Anyway, I don't think it bothered you or me or some other folks much and in fact, we explored the whole thing, or most of it, if memory serves. Let me know your recollections. Butch
Butch Schillilng <>
Mount Pleasant, SC USA - Friday, February 23, 2007 at 15:25:03 (EST)
My personal recollection during the 1950s is that every flake of snow plowed in northern Delaware was dumped in my parents' driveway.
Larry Roszkowiak <>
San Francisco, CA USA - Friday, February 23, 2007 at 14:12:02 (EST)
Before it became Harry's Savoy's Restaurant (on Naamans Road) it was the King's Inn. Right? But before that, long long ago - maybe in the fifties, or sixties - wasn't that restaurant called the "Olde Admiral Inn"?
Phyllis B. <>
Wilm., DE USA - Friday, February 23, 2007 at 11:17:37 (EST)
HOCKESSIN, DE USA - Friday, February 23, 2007 at 08:09:50 (EST)
If you do go to Up the Creek Restaurant now, don't try to arm wrestle any of the women who play pool there. You will lose.
jim rambo <>
ajijic, jalisco Mexico - Thursday, February 22, 2007 at 20:47:13 (EST)
I remember that the snowstorms, were worse in the fifties, and early sixties, but where did the city of Wilm. dump all the snow?
brownys <>
Wilmington , de USA - Thursday, February 22, 2007 at 16:11:31 (EST)
To E. Bonner: I remember your Uncle the Mayor very well. But I'm confused about Bill saying He was Mayor from 56-60. I recall Him Running for Mayor and Promising us(Wilmington Police and Fire)an $800.00 across the board raise if We would get behind him for Office. Now when your only making $3800 a year the Promise of an $800 raise is tremendous. However, I didn't go on the Force till 1959 so I think He was Mayor from 60-64, unless He was running for a second term when he made the pitch to us, and by the way We got the $800 when He won, God bless Him.
Ray Jubb <>
Wilmington, De. USA - Thursday, February 22, 2007 at 12:44:10 (EST)
I remember Steinls Bakery. Shopping downtown on Saturdays always ended with Lunch at Steinls. This was a routine for my Mother and I after hitting the stores on Market St. She said that I always seemed to get hungry just as we got near Steinls.She was right.Many a good time was spent there.
Kay Burton ,Wells <>
Pike Creek, De USA - Thursday, February 22, 2007 at 08:07:51 (EST)
Speaking of "Up The Creek". When we first went there, at least 12-15 years ago, the owner lived in a trailer near by. As soon as you went in you were standing on a hard packed dirt floor, with a pot belly stove. The fireplace was in the bigger room in the back. The bathroom was a real treat....pretty raunchy & no door. However, the beer was cold & cheap & the home made soups were really good. The last owner fixed it up pretty good considering what he had to work floor, raised the ceiling, put up some decorations. Also, most people didn't know it but the jukebox was free. Back in the dirt floor days the jukebox had all 50's & early 60's. It's changed now with a lot of country & very few oldies. I was just there last month & forgot to check if it was still free.
Jim Batty <>
Wilmington, DE USA - Wednesday, February 21, 2007 at 20:17:17 (EST)
Eugenia, I remember working for your father back in the early 60's when I was a summer employee for the old Delaware State Highway Dept at the Kiamensi yard. He was a very nice man and a great boss to work for. Is it true that one way you could tell the difference between him and his brother Eugene was that Eugene always wore a flower in his lapel?
Jack Riley <>
Wilmington,, DE USA - Wednesday, February 21, 2007 at 19:04:47 (EST)
Tom K. - The mention of Steinle's Bakery brings back memories of wonderful breads, buns, pastries, cookies, etc. Everything in that store was tasty. Steinle's, I believe, was on the corner of 7th & King. Saturdays, the women customers packed the place. Back in those days that neighborhood was quite safe. To segue a bit, I also kinda recall a bar/restaurant next door to Steinle's called The Pine Room. We went in there quite often around l953, '54 and '55. A pleasant fellow named Oscar Brown was a bartender there. Years later a person of the same name was killed in an auto accident on the curve of So. Lincoln St. where you would be coming toward Wilm. from the Canby Park area. Never learned whether this was the same Oscar Brown.
Phyllis B. <>
Wilm., DE USA - Wednesday, February 21, 2007 at 14:53:25 (EST)
Bruce, I do recall your Uncle Joe Nester with his black hair combed back and wearing his Army uniform about 1945. I believe he was a Sergeant, he became the store manager and a very nice person. We kids were most likely a thorn in his side and a pain in the neck. We were young teenagers and he let us carry orders from the store to the car or to the patrons home. He never harassed us and we would be there Friday nights and all day Saturday. We would make about twenty dollars in tips, the best thing going at that time. ....Bob
Robert J. McKelvey <>
Cape May, N.J., N.J. USA - Wednesday, February 21, 2007 at 13:08:49 (EST)
Bruce, I rememberyour uncle, Mr. Nestor, I believe he had a son that also was in the store with him alot, we lived in the 40acres and pulled a wagon in to the A & P that was the only tea that my mother and Grandmother would drink .
Jean <usal>
wilm, de USA - Wednesday, February 21, 2007 at 11:00:15 (EST)
If you were a kid during World War II, you'll remember some of the Home Front posters displayed at Recall the slogan "Loose lips sink ships"? This is an interesting website to view old photos, posters, etc.
Tom Wood <>
Albertson, NY USA - Wednesday, February 21, 2007 at 09:53:40 (EST)
Bob, The A & P that you mentioned on Del. Ave. was managed by my uncle, Joe Nestor, at least during the 50's. Does anyone remember him?
Bruce <>
Sugarland, TX USA - Wednesday, February 21, 2007 at 09:46:30 (EST)
There is a huge collection of orange and vegetable crate labels at: Click on the "view as slideshow" button, sit back and enjoy.
Tom Wood <>
Albertson, NY USA - Wednesday, February 21, 2007 at 09:29:52 (EST)
Bob Wilson Jr., Thank You for your response, That orange crate art was top notch color lithographs in brilliant color and hard slick paper. The comic books back then were shabby compared to those labels. Even the Sunday Funny papers were not in brilliant color until the late 40's. Don't forget the cigar boxes with print inside the cover. We kids used to ask for the empty cigar boxes at the Mom and Pop stores to keep our school supplies. After a while they started asking a dime for the empty box. ....Bob
Robert J. McKelvey <>
Cape May, N.J. USA - Wednesday, February 21, 2007 at 08:57:39 (EST)
Bob McKelvey - Do a Google for IMAGES of "Orange Crate Art" , or go to for some great examples of that lost art.
Bob Wilson Jr <>
Beaufort, SC USA - Wednesday, February 21, 2007 at 08:38:50 (EST)
I remember selling kindling wood in my neighborhood during the winter for ten cents, mostly to wives to restart the fire in their coal furnaces. We kids would go to the A&P Store at Delaware Ave. and Jackson St. and collect the discarded vegetable and orange crates. These made perfect kindling for getting a coal furnace fire started. I believe we were between eight and ten years old during the early 1940's. The crates had a wooden frame on the ends and the rest of the box was thin flexible wood, with some wire for a fastener. We used a hatchet to split the and cut the wood, and that along with a crumpled newspaper would suffice to get a fire going in those old coal fired furnaces. Movie money for Saturday. Those old crates had very good art work in the form of colored lithographs pasted on the ends. Wish I had saved some of that art work, but never gave it a thought back then. ....Bob
Robert J. McKelvey <>
Cape May, N.J. USA - Wednesday, February 21, 2007 at 04:23:06 (EST)
Up The Creek is still there, although it was sold last year. Open now, but not sure what the future holds. The fireplace is still there. We go on Wednesdays to see the group "Whirled Peas". They play acoustical guitar mostly, and folk music from the 60's, a little blue grass, etc. Just an informal jam session. It's great...Wednesdays 8 til 10 PM. Foot of 7th Street, past the Kalmer Nyckle (sp) tall ship port. Don't really know what goes on other nights. Shirley Hudson Jester
Shirley Hudson Jester <>
Newark, DE USA - Tuesday, February 20, 2007 at 15:15:58 (EST)
Mention of a crick, brings to mind that restaurant/bar called "Up The Creek". I was there a couple of times, but don't remember how we got there although it seems it was on the East side in a deserted area. Is it still there? People used to talk about the place a lot but for both of my visits it was pretty dead. Of course, it was winter and I do remember it had a big fireplace.
Carol <>
Pescara, Abruzzo Italy - Tuesday, February 20, 2007 at 13:06:19 (EST)
Classmate Phyllis, way to go re: Riverside! When I arrived in Wilmington, to the 9th Ward, back in 1949, I either walked or rode my bike all around town, especially everywhere north and east of The Crick, just to get my bearings. I hope Harry will add that area to his neighborhood maps series. (Somewhat ironically, many years later, my family and I lived for 20 years in a neighborhood in Greenwich, CT called "Riverside". But don'r be impressed by that...we lived on the 'wrong' side of the tracks there.)
Bob Wilson Jr <>
Beaufort, SC USA - Tuesday, February 20, 2007 at 06:47:45 (EST)
Bob Wilson - you surely make me smile. For your not having lived on the east side, you target correctly some areas I remember so well. I don't read too many maps (they give me a headache) so I have to go by my memory. A run down area near Gander Hill? Do you have to be so kind? Until I got older, I had supposed Gander Hill and its immediate environs were hidden from the world. However, to go back - at 16 or 17, I started walking (everybody walked) the areas in which my mother had lived and grown up. (12th St. to Vandever Ave.) The poverty of that part of the east side was always acute. Anyway, the place you mean (further along the Gov. Printz) near Brown's Boys' club, stables, etc. was called Riverside in the 40's and 50's. If you went east of that, you would be at the main Railroad Shops of the Pennsy. A little further east would be the Delaware River. But I don't remember a Mendenhall St.
Phyllis B. <>
Wilm., DE USA - Monday, February 19, 2007 at 23:13:47 (EST)
In answer to question about Eugene Lammot who was a State Senator, Mayor of Wilmington and Lt. Governor, as his niece he was 86 years old when he died two months after his twin brother my father Elliston. They passed away in l985. He kept active until the last year of his life and truly enjoyed the State of De He was involved in the political scene before everything became a little strained. At the time he was Mayor, it was a parttime job, but to him it was made fulltime. At the same time he had his insurance business for which I worked for him. He was the best to me and still miss him. Thanks for asking Eugenia Bonner
Eugenia Bonner <>
Wilmington, DE USA - Monday, February 19, 2007 at 18:30:19 (EST)
Back in the early 1950's, there was a kind of run-down neighborhood just northeast of Gander Hill and just southeast of Prices Run, according to the Neighborhoods maps Harry has posted here. It centered on the old Brown Boy's Club and a 'riding academy' and stable, probably along or close to Mendenhall Street, and was bounded on the east by the Pennsy tracks. Did that neighborhood have a name? Anyone remember?
Bob Wilson Jr <>
Beaufort, SC USA - Monday, February 19, 2007 at 18:24:32 (EST)
Bingo, Pat! It was indeed Ivins or Ivans (I'm not sure either) who made those ginger snaps/spiced wafers. I can picture the box, though. Nothing like 3 or 4 of those puppies washed down with some apple cider to bring out the Hallowe'en spirit! Thanks for jogging my memory a bit. Oh, and we used to buy them at Hearn's also.
Bill Fisher <>
Westminster, CA USA - Monday, February 19, 2007 at 17:42:06 (EST)
Bill, I think the company that made those cookies (we called them spice wafers, I believe) was Ivins or Ivans. The box was orange with a picture of a man in a chef's hat in a black circle. We bought them at Hearn's at Concord Ave. & Washington.
Pat LeVan <>
Port St. Lucie, FL USA - Monday, February 19, 2007 at 16:01:39 (EST)
Ginger Snaps in the big orange boxes around Hallowe'en...! Were they from a local bakery, or a large company such as Keebler?
Bill Fisher <>
Westminster, CA USA - Monday, February 19, 2007 at 15:29:59 (EST)
Today, Presidents'Day, I started thinking back to when we celebrated Lincoln's BirthDay on the 14th and Washington's Birthday on the 22nd. I was reminded of the candy that Reynolds' store on Market Steet sold in keeping with the tale of young Washington allegedly chopping down the cherry tree - red cherry hard candy with green twine stems. That started me thinking about "Fat Tuesday" and the hot cross buns from one of the bakeries on Market Street - Federal, Steinle's, or both? Any other food / holiday connections come to mind?
Tom Kolasinski <>
Glendale, AZ USA - Monday, February 19, 2007 at 13:17:03 (EST)
To Phyllis & Swifty -- The place you call Judy's Pond, didn't know it had a name, but I think it was off the Gov. Printz but near Van Dever Ave by the railroad tracks before you go into the Gander Hill area, At least there was a pond there that I remember skating on late 30's early 40's.
Aubrey C. Fisher <>
Lewes, De USA - Monday, February 19, 2007 at 11:18:30 (EST)
To Phyllis: You are right - Judy's Pond was a place where we were not supposed to be. I also think you're right about it being around 30th & Gov. Printz, but I don't remember exactly where. I do remember it was close enough to walk to, but back then we walked everywhere. It seems to me that there were some railroad track nearby and we used to throw snowballs at the trains. It sure didn't take much to entertain ourselves back then and I don't ever recall being bored.
Swifty <>
York, PA USA - Monday, February 19, 2007 at 10:18:41 (EST)
Does anyone out there remember anything about Gene Lamott, who was mayor from 56-60? He had an insurance company on Washington Street and later moved it to Miller Rd. Trying to find out where he was from, when he died, etc. Thanks.
Bill <>
Townsend, de USA - Sunday, February 18, 2007 at 20:42:31 (EST)
For Swifty of York, PA - When I was a young girl, living on E. 22nd St., I used to hear the other kids talk about ice skating on "The Judy". I was never allowed to go there - so ordered by my father. Couldn't have gone by myself 'cause I didn't know where it was. There seemed to be an air of danger/mystery about it, and yes, something purportedly awful had happened there. I believe The Judy was probably somewhere due east of 30th & Gov. Printz Blvd. Never thought of this name/story again until your posting. Does anyone know anything else about this pond's history or its location?
Phyllis B. <>
Wilm., DE USA - Sunday, February 18, 2007 at 16:43:07 (EST)
To Jean... Brownys is always here. Learning from the ones born before me. Reliving moments in time ,I vaguely remember, and reliving other moments,I try to remember.
brownys <>
Wilmington , Delaware USA - Sunday, February 18, 2007 at 13:52:48 (EST)
Googling the lyrics to "Miss American Pie" is an interesting adventure. But there is at least one guy, on great authority who claims that "The Levee" was a bar in New Rochelle, NY, that closed, and McLean and his buddies then started going 'over the river'(in fact there is no true river between New Rochelle and Rye...only a crick or two) to do their "drinking whiskey in Rye." (People in Rye have believed this for 35 years.) Published version accounts of the lyrics have them varying betwwen "whiskey and rye" and "whiskey in Rye", and "whiskey 'n Rye," depending on who you read and who you choose to agree with. It's anyone's guess. McLean has never clarified why he used that line, whatever it is. So it remains, like most of the rest of the lyric, as an intriguing mystery, which actually makes it more of a timeless classic than it is, without all of the interpretation. Another great classic from that time that never fails to stop me in my tracks everytime I hear it, is Arlo Guthrie's "City of New Orleans." And don't get me started on "This Land Is Your Land,' regardless of the politics of the lyricist. All three of these have raised the hackles on my neck, just like bafpipe music does, every time I hear any one of them, for almost half a century.
Bob Wilson Jr <>
Beaufort, SC USA - Thursday, February 15, 2007 at 18:12:13 (EST)
Good point, Bob. It could be Whiskey IN Rye. Does anyone know for sure if this is what the printed lyrics say? I still find it odd though that he would be referring to Good, Ole Boys from New England. Could Miss American Pie be someone who comes from a state that is known for it's apple pie? If so, I would think he's referring to the South. They eat a lot of Apple Pie, Apple Crust, Apple Dumpling in the South.
Carol <>
Pescara, Abruzzo Italy - Thursday, February 15, 2007 at 16:43:16 (EST)
Sean - Thanks for the skinny on whatever became of Monroe Park and Thomas Drive. My family's stay there was relatively brief (1951-53), but it was a nice place to live, even though it was "way out of town" in those days. I was a Senior in HS in those days, and my dad, who worked downtown, used to drive me all the way from there to PS at 34th and VanBuren every morning, which was a daily pleasant cross-country trip back then. In the summer of '51, I had an afternoon job as an usher at Loew's Aldine down on Market Street, and I used to walk a mile down the Kennett Pike to Rising Sun Lane to the end of the line of the #10 trolleybus. These days, I'd be hard-pressed to get as far as Westover Hills on shank's mare alone. To Bill Fisher et al - My wife of 40 years is a native of Rye, NY, and her parents lived there for all of their long lives. I do remember that there were several popular drinking spots in Rye, mainly because in NY State back then, the legal drinking age was 18, and in neighboring Fairfield County, CT, it was 21, so that teen-agers from CT (who were probably also Buddy Holly fans) helped to make Rye (and Port Chester, right next door) very popular with the younger set....thus, if McLean wrote that those "Good Ol' Boys Were Drinkin' Whiskey IN Rye", that would make a lot of sense. When you think more about it, "Drinkin' Whiskey AND Rye" is redundant, which such a talented lyricist like McLean would probably have avoided. Very interesting!
Bob Wilson Jr <>
Beaufort, SC USA - Thursday, February 15, 2007 at 08:34:45 (EST)
For what it's worth, Don McLean was born in New Rochelle, NY - just northeast of New York City. A few miles further up what's now I-95 is a town whose name is "Rye". Could those ol' boys have been drinkin' whiskey in Rye?
Bill Fisher <>
Westminster, CA USA - Wednesday, February 14, 2007 at 22:32:45 (EST)
Hi Carol, the lyrics "whiskey and rye" and "drove my chevy" are 2 of almost a hundred quips in American Pie. Each has a meaning which only Don McClean knows. There are inferences to Elvis, Ted Kennedy, the Big Bopper, the Beatles, and who knows what else. The song is not ALL about south of the Mason Dixon line. And "whiskey and rye" could've been "whiskey in Rye", which is a town or bar in Pennsylvania where McClean grew up. All in all, a rather mystifying set of song lyrics.
Phil Culver <>
Layton, UT UTAH - Wednesday, February 14, 2007 at 18:27:05 (EST)
Bob Wilson, My grandparents, Warren and Mary Mendenhall, moved into Monroe Park in autumn of 62. They lived at 8 B Thomas Drive. When in the early to mid 1980's, Pettinaro purchased the apartment complex and renamed it Greenville Place. Not only did the complex change, all the streets did too. Thomas drive became Presidential Dr. Martin Lane became Senatorial Drive....and so on. They also closed the original main enterance to the complex on Thomas, but this was because of the construction on 52, with the clover leaf that was constructed to link with 141 better. This would have been in the 1970's. My grandmother lived at 8B Presidential(Thomas)drive till she died in 1989. The apartments were built in 1947. The tennant at 8A,was Mrs Gladys Woodward. She was an RN at the old Memorial Hospital. She lived in the complex from the very beginning till she died in 2006, @age 93.
Sean <>
Wilmington, De USA - Wednesday, February 14, 2007 at 10:10:33 (EST)
I think that Jim Rambo was a teacher in the Marshallton McKean district some years ago before Jim Became a lwayer. Jim knows the displine in the classroom must be established by the teacher . Today teachers have no support in the classroom and principals don't want to deal with displine and many fear parents action. There isn't anything wrong with students saying a pray at lunch or students praying before school around the flag. However student are being denied they constitutional rights when school administrators prevent students from praying in school We can have a gay club meet in the school but prevent a Bible Club in schools. I feel that Christians and Catholics students are being discrinated in our public school by school boards. Public schools are losing students because of violence in public schools,school administgators pamper minorities while violating majorities rights to a safe education. Until we bring discipline back into our public school our school will fail to educate!
chuck Collins <>
Hockessin, De USA - Tuesday, February 13, 2007 at 21:53:38 (EST)
To Bruce: The City just recently passed an ordinance againnst placing cones,chairs or anything in front of your house to save your parking place. This was done because of the St. Anthony Festival every year. However in that Ordinance they allowed one to save their parking place if they had cleared it of snow.
Ray Jubb <golfopera@aol,com>
Wilmington, De. USA - Tuesday, February 13, 2007 at 15:57:57 (EST)
To Rose Culver. With words to the effect of, "Those good, ole boys was drinken whiskey and rye", the writer of those lyrics wasn't referring to Ted Kennedy or anything at all Massachusetts related. Yankees just do not refer to one another as good, ole boys. But they certainly do so below the Mason Dixon Line and West of the Mississippi.
Carol <>
Pescara, Abruzzo Italy - Tuesday, February 13, 2007 at 15:11:07 (EST)
Jim Rambo, I agree with you that it's the lack of discipline and not the lack of prayer in the schools that produces the results we have today in public education. But why would a teacher feel the need to exert him/herself by letting these kids know who's boss when he's going to get paid whether he does so or not?
Carol <>
Pescara, Abruzzo Italy - Tuesday, February 13, 2007 at 14:53:55 (EST)
My parents were one of the original tenants of Monroe Park back in 1951, at 3 Thomas Drive, right near the entrance near Barley Mill Road off the Kennett Pike. Last time I visited there, the name of the development had changed. Are the street names still the same? Is it still a decent place to hang your hat?
Bob Wilson <>
Beaufort, SC USA - Tuesday, February 13, 2007 at 14:38:20 (EST)
Webmaster, I think tire chains were made illegal due to the damage caused to the road surface. I remember my dad jacking up his car and putting the chains on after a big snow. I also remember studded snow tires which I believe are also now illegal since they could cause road damage. My last year in DE, 1979, I lived in Monroe Park Apts. and we had a pretty big snow storm. I remember people digging their cars out and placing a broom between two chairs to reserve "their" space. Someone would come along and move the chairs and take the space. When the person returned who dug out the spot there was usually an argument. Does this still happen? Since I now live along the Gulf Coast I don't have to worry about these things.
Bruce <>
Sugarland, TX USA - Tuesday, February 13, 2007 at 09:42:13 (EST)
re TIRE CHAINS - good question! I recall stopping using them when I switched to studded tires, but they've since been outlawed. What do people use now?
Connie <nospanwanted>
Wilmington, DE USA - Tuesday, February 13, 2007 at 09:13:19 (EST)
Whatever happened to tire chains?
Webmaster <>
Wilmington/Perryville, DE/MD USA - Tuesday, February 13, 2007 at 08:06:29 (EST)
I have memories of skating on Judy's pond. If my memory is working (it does on occasion), the pond was somewhere near the Gov. Printz Blvd. The rumor was that the pond was named after a young girl that had drowned there. I have no idea if this was true and just a tale that the kids used to pass on.
Swifty <>
York, PA USA - Monday, February 12, 2007 at 12:19:19 (EST)
Skating on the Brandywine.What a treat that was. We skated at the foot of Brecks Lane,at Brecks Mill,just above the falls. We usually had some older kids check to see if the ice was safe.Because the Crick was so deep,it took many days for it to freeze thick enough to be safe. There was a loud cracking noise as we skated. There was a saying about the ice. "WHEN IT CRACKS IT'S SAFE,WHEN IT BREAKS IT'S GONE." The ice usually froze thick and was perfect for skating on school days. On week-ends it would get warmer and the ice would melt.That didn't give us a lot of time to skate.There was lots of homework to do on school days. This took place in the late 40's and 50's.
Kay Burton ,Wells <>
Pike Creek, De USA - Monday, February 12, 2007 at 08:04:48 (EST)
Does anyone recall ice skating on the Brandywine? I remember skating over ice by chance that was not as thick as the rest. I recall hearing a crackling sound from the ice I had just skated over. Looking back over my shoulder I could see the ice was pushed downward before it would rise back. My younger brother and I learned to skate down the Brandywine crick just east of the Washington St. Bridge. The skates we had were antiques my Grandmother gave us from the turn of the century. They looked like roller skates except there was a blade instead of wheels, and of course the leather strap that went around the ankle that gave us blisters. There was no room in the family budget for shoe skates at that point in time. ....Bob
Robert J. McKelvey <windsorme2@verizon,net>
Cape May, N.J. USA - Monday, February 12, 2007 at 05:44:48 (EST)
Larry ... thanx for the info on Al Teoli's passing. I, too, took guitar lessons from him back in the '60s --- he was a nice man and an excellent teacher. Unfortunately, he was working with a student who had virtually no innate talent! But he left his mark on me anyway!
Roy C. Pollitt <>
Punta Gorda, FL USA - Sunday, February 11, 2007 at 08:45:30 (EST)
I just saw in the Wilmington obits that Al Teoli has died. I took music lessons from him for over six years. Every time I pick up my guitar I think of the day he started teaching me scales, chords and harmony. It's an arithmetic I live with every day when I pick up my guitar. Good ol' Al.
Larry Roszkowiak <>
San Francisco, CA USA - Saturday, February 10, 2007 at 23:52:34 (EST)
Webmaster - The longest walk I ever took in Delaware (or anywhere else, for that matter) was from the B&O station in Wilmington to the gate of Old College Hall in Newark, roughly 15 miles. And it wasn't an amble or a was part of a race of sorts, involving 20 or so contestants. Down Dupont St. to Union St, to Canby Park, to Elsmere, to Price's Corner, and then via the Kirkwood Highway to East Main Street in Newark. The SUNDAY STAR, in its next to last issue ever, covered the story.
Bob Wilson Jr <>
Beaufort, SC USA - Saturday, February 10, 2007 at 08:05:50 (EST)
1) Under "Photos Before 1975, Page 2" there are two photos of a military train taken by my mother passing by the 4th Street bridge near the Woodlawn Park and Lore School.___2) I had mentioned some time ago that my brother and I also walked over the B&O bridge around 1952.___It followed an all-day hike we did starting out by going to Rockford Park, tugging on the steel cable that was imbedded into the rocks that went across to the DuPont Ex Station and ended by walking up Front Street after spending some time at the PRR Station.___It started to get dark and we were tired.___We went into Maida's Drug Store and asked a worker to call our home.___Needless to say, a police car came for us because our parents and most of the Springer Street neighbors in the Flats were looking for us - we were 10 & 6 at the time...
Webmaster <>
Wilmington/Perryville, DE/MD USA - Friday, February 09, 2007 at 10:01:10 (EST)
Anyone who grew up along the Brandywine----Henry Clay area. always called it the crick. When referring to a person who lived there,they were called Up-The-Crickers. That was " Crick," not creek. Back in the day. I grew up there in the late 40's,till late 50's Loved it.
Kay Burton ,Wells <>
Pike Creek, De USA - Thursday, February 08, 2007 at 19:03:16 (EST)
THE 'CRICK'__ I always think of the Brandywine as our 'river', and the lower part, or what flows thru Kirkwood Park an under 11 St. Bridge past the boatyard (my dad used to take us there on weekends), was what I knew as The Crick. It seemed wider and SOOO much deeper than the part of the Brandywine above Market Street bridge. Anyone know what that lower part is known as? I guess it eventually flows past Battery Park?
TheKid <NoSpamWanted>
Wilm, DE USA - Thursday, February 08, 2007 at 13:57:45 (EST)
In the mid 1960s there would be at least one southbound freight on the B&O tracks each day. It passed by Sallies at 1:10pm every day. I would count the cars. After the train passed the teacher would ask, "How many?" I call out the number and he'd write it on the chalkboard in the top left corner and never mention it again.
Larry Roszkowiak <>
San Francisco, CA USA - Thursday, February 08, 2007 at 13:51:10 (EST)
Bob, I notice references to the Crick - is that the Brandywine River? Thanks
Bruce <>
Sugarland, TX USA - Thursday, February 08, 2007 at 13:05:15 (EST)
Anyone else here but me, as a kid, foolishly walk across the B&O railroad bridge over the Crick on a dare? (Of course this was long after the line had gone into decline, but in the early 1950's, it was still running trains fairly regularly.) That was almost as awesome and scary as walking through the big storm sewer from the top end at Lovering to its lower end at the Crick. This was Macho "dare" stuff back in those days.
Bob Wilson Jr <>
Beaufort, SC USA - Wednesday, February 07, 2007 at 17:45:00 (EST)
I remember seeing long military freight trains using the B&O railroad bridge over the Brandywine during the second world war. They carried tanks and trucks, and big guns on flat cars. The bridge was guarded by soldiers who kept watch for saboteurs during the early forties. I recall going with my father when he sometimes took hot coffee and sandwiches up the North Park Drive to the soldiers. This was in the winter of 1944 and we would go there about eight or nine at night. There was a metal drum with a fire going where the soldiers could warm themselves while on break. This recent cold spell brought back the memory of the guards at the bridge. ....Bob
Robert J. McKelvey <>
Cape May, N.J. USA - Wednesday, February 07, 2007 at 14:14:37 (EST)
On the big map on this site, it looks to me that rhe Forty Acres runs/ran between Adams Street to the east, and Dupont Street to the west, all north of Delaware Avenue down to the Crick. Rodney Street is samck-dab in the middle of that neighborhood. Seems to me that putting Mechanic's Row into Trolley Square is a bit of a stretch. Maybe it's described as being there by the real estate interests. (Trolley Square sounds more promoteable than Forty Acres.) Isn't Trolley Square the area immediately surrounding Delaware and Dupont, where the old B&O Station and the trolleybus garage were?
Bob Wilson Jr <>
Beaufort, SC USA - Wednesday, February 07, 2007 at 09:28:43 (EST)
The Forty Acres don't begin till you pass Dupont St. This area is 1700 block of Rodney is called Trolley Square today.
Sean <>
wilmington, De USA - Tuesday, February 06, 2007 at 13:50:31 (EST)
Bruce, Mechanics Row is the 1700 Block of N Rodney. It's inbetween Shallcross and Lovering Avenues.
Sean <>
wilmington, de USA - Tuesday, February 06, 2007 at 13:17:12 (EST)
Google turns up a great site for Mechanic's Row in Wilmington, which is the 1700 block of North Rodney Street and looks to be nicely-located between Shallcross and Lovering Avenues in the Forty Acres. Webmaster, you should add a link to that site here. It is very well done. I never knew such a block existed, but then I never knew about Mousley's Row in Brandywine Village until I saw it mentioned here. Live and learn!!!! Every day something new...
Bob Wilson Jr <>
Beaufort, SC USA - Tuesday, February 06, 2007 at 07:44:18 (EST)
Jen, What block of Rodney St. is Mechanic's Row? I haven't been to Wilm. for a few years, but I grew up in the 1100 block of Franklin St. and had a paper route that covered part of Rodney St. Thanks
Bruce <>
Sugarland, TX USA - Monday, February 05, 2007 at 16:51:07 (EST)
Browneys, you are right. The name was the Corral Steakhouse. My husband and I ate there quite often.
Estella <>
Hartly, DE USA - Monday, February 05, 2007 at 15:24:29 (EST)
Hi, I recently moved into a Mechanics Row townhouse on Rodney Street and am curious for any history of these houses. Any info is appreciated.
Jen <>
Wilmington, De USA - Monday, February 05, 2007 at 13:44:06 (EST)
We will probably never know the true meaning behind "American Pie".
This is from

“'American Pie' was issued as a double A-side single in November 1971 and charted within a month. Very quickly, the attention from media and public alike catapulted the single to #1 in the USA and Don to instant international superstardom. Every line of the song was analysed time and time again to find the real meaning. Don has always refused to sanction any of the many interpretations, so adding to its mystery. The great 'American Pie debate' continues today on the Internet. Don once suggested that when he is old and poor he would open a pay-to-listen phone line on which he would tell all! Somehow, that is unlikely because Don has maintained the publishing rights to his songs. 'So when people ask me what 'American Pie' means, I tell them it means I don't ever have to work again if I don't want to.'"

Webmaster <>
Wilmington/Perryville, DE/MD USA - Monday, February 05, 2007 at 08:55:50 (EST)

Bob, I came across an article long ago that explained everything that song referenced. I need to find it. The lyrics "drove the chevee to the levee" referred to Edward Kennedy when he went off the bridge with his secretary or girlfriend...I can't remember what "American Pie" meant. I'll try to find this and send it to Harry to post.
Rose Culver <>
Layton, UT USA - Sunday, February 04, 2007 at 13:28:49 (EST)
Does anyone remember the boat house and swimming at "Sneaky Pete" Island in Rockland.
Jody <>
new castle, de USA - Saturday, February 03, 2007 at 19:31:10 (EST)
Hi the plane that carried Buddy Holly & friends didn't have a name just a registration number -N3794N - That's according to SNOPES.COM and also per the American Pie site. Aubrey
Aubrey <>
Lewes, De USA - Saturday, February 03, 2007 at 16:51:39 (EST)
Legend has it that the name "Miss American Pie" was the name of the airplane that crashed back then, killing Richie Valens, Buddy Holly and the Big Bopper. I don't know how true that is, and I don't know the symbolism of the rest of the song, but it makes for some good speculation...
Bill Fisher <>
Westminster, CA USA - Saturday, February 03, 2007 at 14:31:24 (EST)
"Bye bye, Miss American Pie, Took my Chevvy to the levee, but the levee was dry - Those good old boys were drinkin' whiskey and rye, And singin', 'This will be the day that I die'.........." of the greatest pop/folk songs ever written and performed. It's right up there with "The City of New Orleans" in my book. Thanks, Webmaster!
Bob Wilson Jr <>
Beaufort, SC USA - Saturday, February 03, 2007 at 10:03:01 (EST)
February 3rd, 1959...
A long, long time ago...
I can still remember how that music used to make me smile.
And I knew if I had my chance, that I could make those people dance, And maybe they'd be happy for a while.
But February made me shiver,
With every paper I'd deliver,
Bad news on the doorstep... I couldn't take one more step. I can't remember if I cried when I read about his widowed bride
But something touched me deep inside, The day the music died.

Webmaster <>
Wilmington/Perryville, DE/MD USA - Saturday, February 03, 2007 at 08:27:10 (EST)
I think the name of the steakhouse next to doghouse , was Corral, and if memory serves me right. You chose your cut of steak, before they grilled it. I think that was the first time, I knew what a salad bar was.
brownys <>
wilmington, de USA - Friday, February 02, 2007 at 20:00:56 (EST)
It was Jans steak house next to dan-dee drive in
Jean <usa>
wilm, de USA - Friday, February 02, 2007 at 10:30:53 (EST)
INTERESTING! I never realized we were being attacked this close to home during WW II. "February 2 1942 The German Uboat 103 sank the tanker "W. L. Steed" off the Delaware coast. After allowing its crew to leave the ship, the German commander shelled the "Steed" until it sank. Of the thirty-eight members of the crew set adrift in the winter waters, only four survived."
Connie <nospanwanted>
Wilmington, DE USA - Friday, February 02, 2007 at 09:33:36 (EST)
For PAULA D. Cousin, I have lost your email address. Please contact me. You have mine. Ciao.
Carol <>
Pescara, Abruzzo Italy - Friday, February 02, 2007 at 08:09:27 (EST)
HOCKESSIN, DE USA - Friday, February 02, 2007 at 07:41:53 (EST)
I'm looking for a picture of the old DanDee Restaurant at 30th & Governor Printz Blvd. Does anyone have it?
Alan Jacoby <>
Fort Lauderdale, FL USA - Thursday, February 01, 2007 at 16:50:05 (EST)
Mike Mullins - Up Walkill way, the best place to find those Sweet Gum or Sugar gum trees is probably in relatively low and swampy areas in the middle of a wooded tract. The one we had in back of our back yard in CT was so located. The other trees I remember well from my early days in Orange County, NY were the horsechestnut or buckeye trees. Great climbing trees for a kid, and the nuts inside the soft prickly husks were good for stringing and throwing, or just plain collecting, and making kid-type smoking pipes from, but they were inedible. I don'r remember ever seeing one in Delaware, but maybe by the time I got to Wilmington, my interest in horsechestnuts/buckeyes had waned.
Bob Wilson Jr <>
Beaufort, SC USA - Thursday, February 01, 2007 at 16:41:24 (EST)
Wasn't the name of that restaurant Rascal's?
Marge <>
Delray Beach, FL USA - Thursday, February 01, 2007 at 14:39:09 (EST)
Sorry, my husband and son-in-law said the name of the steak house was neither the Sizzler or the Rustler. Anyone have any other guesses?
Estella <>
Hartly, DE USA - Thursday, February 01, 2007 at 12:28:31 (EST)
Estella, I thought it was the "Rustler" not the Sizzler...We went there all the time. You walked around with your tray and served yourself, cafeteria style...steaks were great! Rose
Rose Culver <>
Layton, UT USA - Thursday, February 01, 2007 at 11:52:24 (EST)